Breastfeeding adults - Islamic Loophole

[nope]

look moogle , your right to believe it or not and personally at what your saying i think it would be best if you didn't believe the religion , as you can see its not for you.

I respect where your coming from and i respect the fact that it doest do anything for you. All i am asking you to do is the same in return , meaning the people who believe it let is be there loss or gain.

You don't believe it so you judging what it says is pointless.

When i said about the punishment this is what i mean. We all believe statistics have a great importance in life , some people like life insurance and endowment polices base there whole business on this ideology alone.

This said Islam , Christianity , Hinduism, and Buddhism based there whole belief on this ideology too. Ok this said If you follow the religion you have chose to it will cover you in the bad things that happens to people whilst your living.

Anyway this said Islam itself is very strict on the ideology of statistics and with that laws are made so people live a perfect life where nothing can POSSIBLY go wrong.

As you can see i wrote POSSIBLY in capitals , reason being its just that you have a grater chance for that happening , and as you know life is very unpredictable but you see patterns in life if you do this then this will happen , islam is no different.

So the term punishment here is like maybe you get murdered , basiclly this means that you paid your life , or say you stole and you get your hands cut off , why steal in the first place.

Like I said its a islamic law and muslims are happy to follow it , its not forced on you moogle.

If you think it is forced on you then your thinking wrong.

Maybe your parents make you feel that and the reason they do that i because they fell responsible for your actions.

Remember that they are very important to you and if this means faking it as a white lie then i would do it to keep them happy but if you cant then i warn you they will be very disappointed.

This is a result to the actions of your parents living they feel hurt and you have to understand that , but what hurts me is that you feel the religion is forced on you when its not because of your parents making you see that.

Nice comment Iranu , agree with you very much , we are all humans and we all hurt and bleed , remember that

[moogle]

exactly, thats the thing it seems that different muslims make up different rules about islam. now they start saying that so they can do what they want here also. eg that stupid girl who didnt take her gcse's because she wasnt allowed to wear the full thing (idk the name of the clothing), but the school allowed her to wear the headscarf and clothing, just not the one that covers all of her except her eyes. i guess god will give her a job then with those qualifications. also about the jilbab being banned here, that issue with the government, that thing should have gone ahead to, because lets say for example one muslim woman who knocks someone over, (driving) and does a runner. now i know it wont happen but lets say it does. how can you describe the suspect to the police. "oh em yea she had a pair of eyes, and...", sure if they didnt wear it someone could still do that to get away but that would mean it would be just one person wearing that and not all these women wearing it. other stuff like one of the main reasons i decided not to believe or which forced me not to be one of those people were when i was younger and it was ramadan. i was in secondary school etc, we couldnt eat and stuff and all i can remember is all these asian boys spitting whenever their mouth was full of saliva. it was disgusting but their parents taught them stricter and it was if they swallowed it they would break their fast. they used to intervene in conversations if i was talking about tv with my other english friends because they were taught that you arent allowed to watch tv during ramadan etc, forcing all this crap on me. also if i wore my simpson socks , they'd start an argument about that because in islam you arent allowed to wear any clothing with eyes because when you die it will come alive...
weird yea i know. also on fridays they'd all be home dinners so they could go mosque and pray for the friday special prayer and i never used to go, they would bitch about that to me too. stuff like that would piss me off. that is why i dont like islam mainly, maybe its because muslims in my school forced others to believe in their way. but in the end i seen what they really are, they preach this crap about islam but they misbehave anyway, they smoke outside the school, swear and yet every friday they go to pray for forgiveness. it's just a joke nowadays. i see them taking it for granted.

this post was directed at iranu's reply

took to long to write and nope got there fast

it's just my mum who believes nope, my dads friends come over and they will all argue and discuss about islam. i usually listen and he has some pretty good points. i am glad in one way that they arent strict.

ok the religion isnt forced on me by my mum. but as for faking it , i just keep my mum happy thats all. if i do bring this up then the atmosphere would be bad around here. its either be fake and live happy, or be real and be in a depressed house.

[nope]

Your right that people twist Islam to what they want to look right but remember this they will be punished .

Your parents until you reach the age of puberty are responsible for your doings so i can see why you felt forced.

Anyway I have a boy who is 9 and try to make him pray about on average 4 times a day , I teach him that when he wakes up he should be great full and happy for another day he has been granted , mostly i try to teach him appreciation cos i think that is very very very important.

I don't force him , I also pay him 20p for every salaat he prays , before he use to care about the money but day by day he is starting to believe its a good thing.

He bought a xbox 360 hardrive the other day with the money he saved , he has a pc which has a 8800gtx , so yes i do look after him very well , he has all the consoles out there so money isn't a issue , but that said i wanted to build some sort of incentive and teach him if he does good then good will always come his way.

You will notice that appreciation in this country is very important cos we give our children everything and they don't even reflect on it , and if anything Islam teaches you that.

I am 33 now and i pray five times a day but i have to say this to you i was never forced , i feel its for my own good to follow the religion and god doesn't gain anything from me believing , like with you moogle you feel your doing it for gods happiness which doesn't really mean anything.

Fair enough if you keep your mum happy cos that itself is like worshiping god but be true to what you believe in or not believe.

The best thing about islam is that it stops you from judging people , only god has the right to judge no one else

[Brucelles]

nope I just want to point out that I was mocking a single Islamic cleric with that post. The guy obviously doesn't live in the real world, or (unlikely) was joking.

I have spent almost 20 years living and working in the Middle East, I like Islam as a religion, generally, as it does tend to lead to people being more honest. I never locked my car in the UAE, Bahrain or Iran, for example. It is true though, that Islam is a pretty good religion for loonies who want to recruit more loonies too go out and bomb people.

The vast majority of Muslims I have known have been peaceful, decent people, though, and I would rather bring up my child in the Arabian Gulf than in Britain.

[nope]

Thanks Brucelles for being honest.

I am a muslim and I know I wouldn't hurt a ant , I respect all nature and all this comes from the teachings of my religion.

Yes I agree with you about terrorism and loonies being easily recruited.

Islam teaches Muslims that 50% of your faith is the love for your country and 50% is cleanliness.

Now taking this in mind it would be a hypocritical for me to live in the same country and try to damage it anyway.

If you see the life of Mohamed (PBUH) you will see all he taught was kindness and democracy. Also taught that education plays a very big role in life. Now taking this in mind working and women at work is real and it should be what every women should work towards and the rules mentioned in this topic are to protect them , nothing else , whether they practice it or not only means that they may endeavor unlawful sexual practices which will play a big part in ruining a womens life.

There is this other thing ,9/10 women that where the hijab where it for themselves and are not forced by there husbands, my wife wheres a scarf all the time and personally i don't really like her wearing it but she feels it protects her from people looking at her as just a sexual being and nothing more than that.

God promises the people who follow the religion a stress free life and thats god's promise so it shouldn't be taken lightly.

Also about the loonies recruited is very wrong and the clerics that make them do this are wrong. Islam teaches that suicide under any circumstance for a man is not permissible , for a woman who is going to get raped it is only permissible for her(remember these are very extreme circumstances , where the women loses her husband and children after that she is faced with this , only then).

Ok , so suicidal bombers isn't what Islam wants to see , same as Hitler killing millions of jews , or the crusaders killing and practicing genocide is not an act of Christianity , or the time when i was in India and the time 20,000 Muslims got killed by Hindu's is not Hinduism. This is all politics doings and the religion of Islam , Hinduism, Christianity or any other religion does not have any place for this , none of this religions teach to kill, yes they do ask you to protect but even then there are laws of how war should be done and suicide bombing is not one of them.

All these misunderstandings you all have about our religion is our own fault , its when you see that suicide bombers are doing this you start to think its Islam that teaches this.

We are talking about big Brother alot at the moment and that said you remember the Big Brother which had Shilpa in it?

Anyway you will also remember Jermaine Jackson , He prayed 5 times a day and taught everyone peace is the way forward , remember he is a convert and it happened after 9/11 , so he saw what Islam really is and not what some stupid suicide bombers are making people think.


I saw the thread and I thought just let it be man , but it hurt me really bad , I couldn't hold it no more and I wanted it to stop , so i did what i could to protect my own faith if anything

[chicken]

Your right that people twist Islam to what they want to look right but remember this they will be punished.

I'm going to keep out of the main details of this because I don't know a huge amount about Islam, but I just thought I'd point out that it's parts like this where I have repeatedly seen disagreements occur in discussions about religion.

What you're saying is in the belief that God will punish these people, but you're saying it to someone who doesn't believe what you do. So fair enough you can take solace in the fact that "They will be punished" but I doubt Moogle thinks they will, so there is nothing there for him to to "remember".

The reason I point this out is that this is the way I have heard many religious people talk to non-religious people. You have to bear in mind that someone who isn't religious isn't lacking a belief, their belief can be every bit as strong as a religious person but in the non-existance of a God rather than existance of one. They are not simply forgetting something, it is not a part of their belief.

[nope]

Yes you are right in what you are saying. Lets look at this in a worldly way where you will understand what i mean, or mathematical way .

What i mean by this is when someone does negative things in life then karma will see him or her fall in time to come.

Islam is no different and like I said before it is all based on statistics . Now this said you believing or not whether this guy will be punished or not doesn't really matter , its inevitable. A person doing wrong always meets his or her match cos his statistics are basically negative integers and you cannot expect any growth from such entities , eventually they fall.

People twisting things does not make a matter right and because they did wrong things and bad energy will always be around the person and are likely to fall , call it punishment or fate.

Science is understanding god , there are positive energies around us and negative energies around us.We are all living entities and we thrive on growth. Destruction is working against our natural being and sooner or later a entity practicing this falls.

Also moogle lied at first and said he was forced in to religion , as if the religion hasn't got a bad name and it needed some more make belief. Look at the religion , look at jermaine jackson and don't look at ossama bin laden , or even look at Cat Stevens , or maybe Eyvonne Ridley journalist (converted after the so called kidnapping).

I think its even wrong us discussing this and personally i don't think i can get anyone to see the religion as i do , and like i said before this is all Faith , you see something different and I see something different. I just wanted the thread shut cos it fueled unnecessary hate , also after all the argument we would have nothing would change , maybe just fuel more hate.

The eye see's what it chooses to see but that said i have been a muslim for 33 years and i am proud that its there to guide me all throughout my life (thats if I want the guidance).

Also it teaches me not to judge people , respect all religions , respect one another , love your country , love thy neighbor, love your elders and respect them , support them through there last years . It does not teach what some clerics out there do.