Glitter's in the Gary

[Blitzen]

Koolpc, the embodiment of the daily fail.

and you sir are the kind of 'right on' and 'pc' kind of person that lets this kind of filth get away with his perverted ideals. He knows that people with your way of thinking will stop him getting the kinds of punishment he richly deserves.

If it was your child he abused would you be so self righteous? I doubt it......

Can't treat him like an animal!! Get real will you!! This guy is a sick moron who preys on children for goodness sake!! He indicates he is mentally ill because that is his way of escaping what people would otherwise think of him.

Where pedos are concerned, i am all for hanging the bastards or castrating them or put them into a room full of parents!

Those of you who say he still has rights etc, then you are totally wrong. His rights disappeared when he became a moron of a pedo!!

Only way to 'Manage' pedos is to punish them 'HARD'. No pussy-footing around.

100% right.
If Glitter is 'disturbed enough to harm my child or any of your children then he should not be out in public.
These bloody do-gooders that are all for rehabilitation need to wake up and smell the coffee. You CANT be cured of this kind of thing.
Its like trying to make a gay bloke straight..............it in the brain...not taught.

[Koolpc]

and you sir are the kind of 'right on' and 'pc' kind of person that lets this kind of filth get away with his perverted ideals. He knows that people with your way of thinking will stop him getting the kinds of punishment he richly deserves.

If it was your child he abused would you be so self righteous? I doubt it......



100% right.
If Glitter is 'disturbed enough to harm my child or any of your children then he should not be out in public.
These bloody do-gooders that are all for rehabilitation need to wake up and smell the coffee. You CANT be cured of this kind of thing.
Its like trying to make a gay bloke straight..............it in the brain...not taught.

Well said mate. Rehabilitation is a joke. Doesn't work for the majority of 'normal' criminals and it won't work for Pedos who have thier 'Sickness' engrained into thier tiny filth ridden brains!!

Only cure for a pedo is to hang the bastard or castrate him and lock the moron away in a damp, rat infested cellar with only pig turds to live on.

[G4Z]

These bloody do-gooders that are all for rehabilitation need to wake up and smell the coffee. You CANT be cured of this kind of thing.
Its like trying to make a gay bloke straight..............it in the brain...not taught.

Well, I agree, he probably can't be cured of these urges but he can learn not to act on them. Kind of like any behaviour, your sort of proving my point that we shouldn't be punishing these people (at least not until they offend) we should be working on a workable solution that doesn't involve the kind of treatment you wouldn't like yourself if you had urges about something society feels is unacceptable.

Now I don't want anybody to misunderstand my point of view here, I am not advocating that we don't punish offences. I also realise that it will mean some poor kid is going to suffer in the event of an offence and I really don't think that is a palatable result at all. However you can't pre-emtively punish people for their thoughts, because if you do that then where do you stop. I might decide I hate my job today and have a real urge to head in with a shotgun. Doesn't mean I am going to do it, because I know its wrong. There are peados out there who probably never harm any kids and I am sure I saw an interview with one like that on TV some time back. Bottom line is that I think it should be socially acceptable (at least on some level) for somebody to be able to admit that they have these urges and then seek some bloody help! At the moment I don't see any sign of that, these pople keep it to themselves, they get more used to the idea and some of them go on and do some horrible stuff. I want to see that stopped as much as anybody, I simply don't think the way to do that is to perpetualy punish people for it.

[MadduckUK]

Its like trying to make a gay bloke straight..............it in the brain...not taught.

Only cure for a pedo is to hang the bastard or castrate him and lock the moron away in a damp, rat infested cellar with only pig turds to live on.

this doesnt quite add up does it, why would you punish someone for "in the brain" offences, contain yes, but punish? especially in the way described in koolpc's 'been at the sunny d' rant?

[Koolpc]

Well, I agree, he probably can't be cured of these urges but he can learn not to act on them. Kind of like any behaviour, your sort of proving my point that we shouldn't be punishing these people (at least not until they offend) we should be working on a workable solution that doesn't involve the kind of treatment you wouldn't like yourself if you had urges about something society feels is unacceptable.

Now I don't want anybody to misunderstand my point of view here, I am not advocating that we don't punish offences. I also realise that it will mean some poor kid is going to suffer in the event of an offence and I really don't think that is a palatable result at all. However you can't pre-emtively punish people for their thoughts, because if you do that then where do you stop. I might decide I hate my job today and have a real urge to head in with a shotgun. Doesn't mean I am going to do it, because I know its wrong. There are peados out there who probably never harm any kids and I am sure I saw an interview with one like that on TV some time back. Bottom line is that I think it should be socially acceptable (at least on some level) for somebody to be able to admit that they have these urges and then seek some bloody help! At the moment I don't see any sign of that, these pople keep it to themselves, they get more used to the idea and some of them go on and do some horrible stuff. I want to see that stopped as much as anybody, I simply don't think the way to do that is to perpetualy punish people for it.

Rubbish mate. How do you know they have not offended? Because they say they haven't! No help for a Pedo that will work except castration. Stop them from getting urges etc.

The law needs to change drastically so that these people get punished harshly. Just think of the terror they have commited on poor innocents children!! Makes my blood boil. How the hell can someone say that these people need 'Help'? It is 'PUNISHMENT' they need. For goodness sake mate, step into the real world and take a look at what these people are capable of.

Stop all this bloody pussy-footing around. Punish the bastards, and punish then 'HARD'

[G4Z]

Well, hasn't he already been punished for the possession of KP in this country?

What exactly do you think will be accomplished by punishing them forever? I didn't ever say they shouldn't be punished hard, I fully expect a child abuser to go to prison I just don't think its very productive to keep them there forever. By all means keep them away from kids and monitor them, I also agree with offering them chemical castration. I simply do not agree with punishing people eternally. Fair enough some of these people can't ever be trusted, but not necessarily all of them. I just don't think its as black and while as you would like to make out.

[directhex]

If you mandate attitudes like Blitzen and Koolpc, then children will be abused. MORE of them, infact, than if you follow G4Z.

As Blitzen says, "it in the brain...not taught". Know what that means? Regardless of how bad the penalty is, people will still feel that way. Full stop, end of story.

So, you have paedophiles in society. Unavoidable. End of story. Full stop.

Now, in KoolpcLand, if you ever breate a word of your "in the brain" sickness, having never acted on it, to anyone - you find yourself treated worse than you would treat an animal. Seek help, end your life. Abuse a child, or don't, you'll still be punished for it. So why seek help before acting on it? Why tell a psychiatrist "I need help to control my urges" if the punishment is the same as kidnapping a little girl and forcing yourself into her?

Congrats, Koolpc, you've pushed the perverts underground, and taught them "feel free to abuse kids, we'll get you anyway so why hold back?". Feel proud, mighty armchair warrior.

Now, let's look at G4Zworld. In G4Zworld, someone mentally ill is tracked, and where possible, helped. If they commit a crime, they're punished - punished properly, but without loss of dignity by those doing the punishment, and without lowering themselves to the level of the "sick" perverts themselves. So now, you still have some children being abused. Sorry, but that's life. But, unlike Koolpc's scenario, those who recognise their own problem BEFORE acting upon it DON'T act upon it. The total number of people committing acts is lower - meaning fewer cases of abuse.

So there's the scenario. Back Koolpc, encourage more abuse.

[hitman67]

[Koolpc]

If you mandate attitudes like Blitzen and Koolpc, then children will be abused. MORE of them, infact, than if you follow G4Z..

Utter rubbish. The softly softly approach which is out now is not working.

As Blitzen says, "it in the brain...not taught". Know what that means? Regardless of how bad the penalty is, people will still feel that way. Full stop, end of story...

So, its ok for them to be released into the community then? Just because its in their brain!! We need to make it clear that strong punishments are waiting for the sick pedos if they are caught. Nothing anyone can do until a pedo is caught.

So, you have paedophiles in society. Unavoidable. End of story. Full stop.

So, we all say," ah well, he's a pedo, never mind, poor lad, he likes little babies and kids, its totally unavoidable, lets leave him be". Again, utter rubbish. Find a pedo, punish him hard, save a kid.

Now, in KoolpcLand, if you ever breate a word of your "in the brain" sickness, having never acted on it, to anyone - you find yourself treated worse than you would treat an animal. Seek help, end your life. Abuse a child, or don't, you'll still be punished for it. So why seek help before acting on it? Why tell a psychiatrist "I need help to control my urges" if the punishment is the same as kidnapping a little girl and forcing yourself into her?...

Any person who says they are a pedo should be treated in a way that they cannot put thier feelings across to a child etc. That means Castration for a start. Stop them from abusing children. Act before it is too late. I bet 99.9% of pedos that have abused and gone for treatment have reabused.

Congrats, Koolpc, you've pushed the perverts underground, and taught them "feel free to abuse kids, we'll get you anyway so why hold back?". Feel proud, mighty armchair warrior.

Pushed them underground!! Have you seen the news, read the papers? Don't all pedos already work 'underground'? I have never seen them 'openly' advertising what they do!

Now, let's look at G4Zworld. In G4Zworld, someone mentally ill is tracked, and where possible, helped. If they commit a crime, they're punished - punished properly, but without loss of dignity by those doing the punishment, and without lowering themselves to the level of the "sick" perverts themselves. So now, you still have some children being abused. Sorry, but that's life. But, unlike Koolpc's scenario, those who recognise their own problem BEFORE acting upon it DON'T act upon it. The total number of people committing acts is lower - meaning fewer cases of abuse.

Only way to help a pedo is by giving him a hard life. Proper punishment. It is not just a 'Mental' illness as you say. That is an easy way to let them off the hook. They are twisted people. Evil people who prey on innocent children. Who sneak thier way into our schools, nurseries, hospitals etc etc to do thier terrible acts.

You say 'Loss of Dignity'. What about the poor abused childs 'Loss of life', 'Loss of trust', thier 'loss of dignity?' Who cares about a pedos dignity? They don't when they are abusing babies and children.

Very few pedos think they have a problem. To them, it is lust, etc. They won't come forward because they enjoy what they do. It is in thier blood. Remember, a leopard can't change its spots.

So there's the scenario. Back directhex;1504381, encourage more abuse.

[Twigman]

This thread makes me sad. I sometimes like to think people on Hexus are level-headed and intelligent (even more so than the great Twigman himself ). Clearly this thread has proved me wrong.

[cptwhite_uk]

Couldn't agree more Twigman.

Personally I think a combination of chemical castration, location monitoring (via a tag), and an attempt to make him realise the suffering and effect his actions have had are the best course of action. It's not perfect but if you can take away the urge for him to molestor, try and instill some moral values and monitor his whereabouts thats about all you can do.

I also think he should be made to do menial work to pay for his treatment. I do agree that it's wrong for the state to have to pay to keep him safely away from children.

[staffsMike]

Where is SIM? Where is pedobear? This is an outrage.. Don't tell me you have limits SIM

Anyway.. this is obviously a very touchy subject (no disgusting puns intended), and there will always be strong feelings, probably for both sides.

Where can you really draw the line, do you go on the defensive.. track the pedo's, chemically castrate them? Track the children maybe? Or do you go offensive with harsh punsihments?

Personally I'd love to know where my kids (eventually) are at all times.. what peace of mind we would have. But is that fair on them? Not sure..

Tracking the pedo's is fair enough but show me a pedo who admits their problem willingly and seeks help. Chances are you are only ever going to be tracking those who have already offended. Now lets not just brush over that word, offended, thinking what that really means is enough to make any of us sick.

You can't blame anyone for wanting them dead, castrated, punished in unthinkable ways because quite frankly that is what they doing to those children whom they violate. Now this culture doesn't promote an eye for an eye.. but when it comes to something as sick as this.. maybe we should.

That childs life will be haunted at best, most likely ruined. Personally I think they deserve a harsher punishment than any other crime but I'm not in a position to decide.

[directhex]

So, its ok for them to be released into the community then? Just because its in their brain!! We need to make it clear that strong punishments are waiting for the sick pedos if they are caught. Nothing anyone can do until a pedo is caught.

News just in, no crimes have ever been committed in countries with the death penalty

[CaptainCrash]

The law needs to change drastically so that these people get punished harshly. Just think of the terror they have commited on poor innocents children!! Makes my blood boil. How the hell can someone say that these people need 'Help'? It is 'PUNISHMENT' they need.

So what will you do to those damaged children if/when some of them go on to become abusers themselves as a direct result of their own experiences? Oh yes, stop bloody pussy-footing around and punish the bastards HARD. Again...

I bet 99.9% of pedos that have abused and gone for treatment have reabused.

Yup, nothing like good solid facts to support your argument, is there?

[directhex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRZo8...eature=related

[TheAnimus]

I think there is a fundemental difference between some peoples attitudes.

I was chatting to a fellow youngen at work about this, she was saying its so odd that different countries have different ages of consent, and often we are lagging behind, the classic example been the age difference for vaginal and anal. Netherlands has an age of consent lower than ours, but intrestingly the average age people claim to loose their virginity at is higher than UK. Most odd.

As such we need to get our head round this idea there are ranges of Pedophiles, put your hand up, if you ever had sex with a girl younger than you (assuming 90% male readership). Now if you where active whilst you where 16, with a 15 year old, are you a pedo?

What i find shocking is the way papers like the NOTW will have pictures of a 16 year old with her tits out, whilst claiming someone should be burnt at the stake for having sex with a 15,11month.

And then there are the Gary Glitters, who habitually transgress the bounds of deceny.

There has to be a different set of rules for each type. Hanging them all isn't going to help, it will simply encorage those who are already in slight breach of the rules to go the whole way.

As an intresting asside i was at a rather bad london club by leciester square, when this girl asked me to buy her a drink, we got chatting a little and she let slip that she was still doing her GCSEs... WTF! I had no idea. And this was whilst i was 21, after i'd just finished (2 months previous) doing all sorts of mentoring to 11-17 year olds... I can really understand now how people can be taken in. This is why there are legal things in place, if i'd been a little older and more intresting to talk to (ie not brought up education) i'd of probably not known her age.