Glitter's in the Gary

[directhex]

Perhaps these cases need counselling to help them come to terms with their childhood experience, which may (again, I make no guarantees as I've not done any in-depth research on the matter) prevent them becoming a child abuser and perpetuating the cycle?

Or perhaps we should just kill everyone who ever gets abused to stop this happening?

I still say we take children from their parents at birth, to remove the risk of abuse.

We could leave them to be raised by some nice trustworthy priests!

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Perhaps these cases need counselling to help them come to terms with their childhood experience, which may (again, I make no guarantees as I've not done any in-depth research on the matter) prevent them becoming a child abuser and perpetuating the cycle?

They do, a huge amount money gets pumped into therapeutic placements for abused children. Where i work at the moment it costs £3,500 per week per child. Another place i worked at cost £8,000 pounds per week. Ultimately its too late for many. It's hard to grasp just how fundamentally deep the damage goes and what it does to a person.

[Lucio]

He is not ill he knows exactly when he is doing, just read the local paper on my dinner and there is a shot of him smiling away at the airport didnt look ill to me.

Ok, that comment really annoys me, putting all other issues aside, if you honestly believe you can look at someone and go "oh they're not mentally ill, or they are mentally ill" then you're delusional!!!

In fact, it could be argued that it's a case FOR him being mentally ill that he's smiling away....


As that devil's kitchen post puts it, either a) He's mentally ill and deserves a little bit sympathy and a lifetime stay in a secure facility/constant supervision or b) he's a criminal who'se served his punishment, needs to be watched just in case and should be free to get on with his life...


It's really not an option to go "no, sorry your crime was too much, you get no help, no treatment to try and get better and in fact, we're feeding your nadgers to the dogs for the hell of it"

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As that devil's kitchen post puts it, either a) He's mentally ill and deserves a little bit sympathy and a lifetime stay in a secure facility/constant supervision or b) he's a criminal who'se served his punishment, needs to be watched just in case and should be free to get on with his life...


It's really not an option to go "no, sorry your crime was too much, you get no help, no treatment to try and get better and in fact, we're feeding your nadgers to the dogs for the hell of it"

But if he's mentally ill, and there's no known cure, and he's a danger to children, regardless of whether he has served his time for that crime, he should be locked up and stopped from re-offending, at the very least until there is a cure for his alledged mental illness.


At the same time, what's to stop him from claiming he is cured, and then going and committing more
abuse?

Personally, I'm not buying the whole mental illness thing as an excuse for paedophillia, it's just too convenient.

It's ultimately a sexual orientation, one that is rightly frowned upon, but if we are labelling a sexual orientation as a mental illness, what's to differentiate being gay, or bi-sexual, preferring blondes, brunettes, or even older women etc?

I'm just curious to know, the people that are defending the rights of paedophiles, what exact punishment would you dish out if you were allowed to choose your own and why.

I can't see everyone agreeing on an outcome to this kind of debate, but it is interesting to see how opinions vary.

[Lucio]

But if he's mentally ill, and there's no known cure, and he's a danger to children, regardless of whether he has served his time for that crime, he should be locked up and stopped from re-offending, at the very least until there is a cure for his alledged mental illness.


At the same time, what's to stop him from claiming he is cured, and then going and committing more
abuse?

I'm quite happy for him to be locked up though or be tagged/monitored for the rest of his life!

I'm only arguging against the people who say he should be given a kicking!!

[Koolpc]

So many sad people on here saying he is not to blame, it is a mental illness problem. Utter rubbish!

That is an excuse. Castrate the bastard and lets see him smile then!!

[staffsMike]

So many sad people on here saying he is not to blame, it is a mental illness problem. Utter rubbish!

That is an excuse. Castrate the bastard and lets see him smile then!!

Well I'd say it would take someone with a pretty sick, twisted and broken mind to do what they do. Whether they are choosing to do it coldly and rationally how can we know? I don't disagree that their sexual urges should be supressed by whatever the most effective means but the problem could me routed much further in their mind than just sexual urges.

[autopilot]

Paedophilia is not a mental illness. If it is, so is being homosexual. Paedophilia is being sexually attracted to children and/or babies, simple as that. Many Paedophiles never offend, some dont even look at child porn. However, some do make a concious decision to act on there desires, in just the same way some people who have a desire for money will steal. Often calculated, planned and repeatedly. You can't say that every horrible, selfish and mean person is mentally ill.

Saying it's a mental illness very dangerous road to go down. It might be a personally defect, but thats a very different thing and generally not treatable. Offenders or not, people who are paedophiles will be paedophiles for life and will need to be supervised. They might get better at hiding it or genuinely better at managing their feelings, but there is no cure just like there is no cure for me liking blondes. Chemical castration is not a cure BTW, before anyone says. Paedophiles must take full responsibility for their actions.

[staffsMike]

To a certain extent I agree. But you need to factor in the mind set of the offending people. Take for example your run on the mill rapist. They aren't necessarily attracted to the person, could be quite the opposite. Their crime, as far as I have been educated on the subject (which is not very far in the grand scheme of things), is motivated by the power they feel by doing it and the feeling of taking power away from someone else. That is not necessarily motivated by a sexual desire so much as something that has gone wrong in their mind.

A homosexual sleeps with their same sex by choice, if they are forced like children are then it is rape, it's a different mindset altogether.

I agree the deffiniton of Paedophilia would be the sexual attraction to young children etc.. but that is not necessarily the soul reason for all child abuse and attacks and probably why we find it hard to stop be re-offending, so as you say, castration isn't necessarily a cure.

[[GSV]Trig]

Just out of interest if he's innocent and hasnt actually done anything, why would he pick the countries he has done to go spend time in, thats like someone who has been accused of commiting fraud going to Spain (has no extradition treaty with the UK for fraud)....

[Brucelles]

Paedophilia is not a mental illness. If it is, so is being homosexual. Paedophilia is being sexually attracted to children and/or babies, simple as that. Many Paedophiles never offend, some dont even look at child porn. However, some do make a concious decision to act on there desires, in just the same way some people who have a desire for money will steal. Often calculated, planned and repeatedly. You can't say that every horrible, selfish and mean person is mentally ill.

Saying it's a mental illness very dangerous road to go down. It might be a personally defect, but thats a very different thing and generally not treatable. Offenders or not, people who are paedophiles will be paedophiles for life and will need to be supervised. They might get better at hiding it or genuinely better at managing their feelings, but there is no cure just like there is no cure for me liking blondes. Chemical castration is not a cure BTW, before anyone says. Paedophiles must take full responsibility for their actions.

Nicely put. This is what my own research said. Paedophilia is a mental condition, but it's a deep-seated one and it is not the fault of paedophiles if they feel that way. What is their fault is if they look at kiddy porn, cop a feel while helping kids off the swings or rape children.

I did find evidence that it is a real 'disease' like people said homosexuality was, but homosexuality doesn't come with physical changes to the brain.

Asking a paedophile to not be would be like asking me to not be a heterosexual. I couldn't stop loving the sight of ladies bottoms and breasts and that lovely part on the inner... anyway, the point is that I don't rape women. I want to have sex with them, but I stick to the rules. Admittedly that's pretty easy for me as I am married, but I would anyway. Paedophiles aren't criminals necessarily, they can control their urges just like a normal person; paedophiles who step over into child molestation are.

Personally I would treat the two classes differently, treat paedophiles to reinforce their abstinence, and jail, castrate, kill, whatever it takes, those who decide that it's OK to rape babies. Paedophilia is a mental condition, child molestation is a choice.

[Koolpc]

Nicely put. This is what my own research said. Paedophilia is a mental condition, but it's a deep-seated one and it is not the fault of paedophiles if they feel that way. What is their fault is if they look at kiddy porn, cop a feel while helping kids off the swings or rape children.

Personally I would treat the two classes differently, treat paedophiles to reinforce their abstinence, and jail, castrate, kill, whatever it takes, those who decide that it's OK to rape babies. Paedophilia is a mental condition, child molestation is a choice.

Again, utter rubbish. Another excuse for pedos.

[Brucelles]

You are talking out of your arse.

There are reasons for paedophiles, but not for child molesters. The thought is not the deed.

[Koolpc]

I am talking out of my arse.

There are reasons for paedophiles, but not for child molesters. The thought is not the deed.

And you are talking like a person who hasn't a clue!!

Reasons for Pedo's? So, its ok for them to act like they do is it? It is ok for them to download sick images of babies / children being abused etc? Its ok for them to get off on thoughts of these sick images? As long as they don't act on them?

You are talking like an utter idiot mate.

We are not on about homosexuality or normal sexual thought etc. We are on about the worst kind of human actions that could ever happen.

Pedo's are all the same. Whether they act on their thoughts or not. It is utterly sick. It is inhuman, it is totally alien to any normal person. A pedo who has dreams of the filth and sickness that he downloads could very well act on his impulses the very next day.

The thought is not the deed, you say. Well, you just tell that to the next mum or dad who has to face their child who has been abused etc.

I certainly don't want that happening to any member of my family.

[Splash]

Again - KoolPC where is your forgiveness? You seem to be avoiding that one.

[autopilot]

Again, utter rubbish. Another excuse for pedos.

What? did you actually read what he said? He was in no way excusing paedophiles. Quiet the opposite actually.