Ways to gain residency?

[Vini]

I haven't got the balls, I don't think. But... If I wanted to move to say Canada/Australia/Those places that people say are 'crying out for young people' - How exactly would I go about doing it?

I understand the best way is to get a job over 'there' but that's not really that easy whilst you're living here, is it? I mean how does an interview take place?

I've just turned 23. I've been an IT/Network admin for 4 1/2 years, and 2 years prior to that working as a hardware technician. I've no qualifications/certification, only GCSE's and a couple of MCP's.

I quite like the idea of training to become an electrician, would going abroad to study help me in any way shape or form?

My current company has an office in Chicago, and I am going to discuss the possibility of going over there in my forthcoming PDP.

Where do you start with something like this?

[pumpman]

There a companies who can arrange it for you, but for the likes of Australia there is a points system
You get points for your age , what you do etc , watching a programme the other day it said you get top points for being in IT and for being youngish. There are a few forums on the interweb that ive read in the past for this kind of thing too

[staffsMike]

How about being a maths teacher with a degree in computer science?

Favouring Canada atm though.. or NZ. Not sure about Australia.

[pumpman]

they give -100 if your called Mike though

[floppybootstomp]

Being an electrician usually involves a fair amount of manual/building work as well as a brain.

If you're used to IT, building site/macho dude enviroment may not suit you.

It pays well though.

But you will need qualifications, actually more stringent than IT qualifications.

[Vini]

Being an electrician usually involves a fair amount of manual/building work as well as a brain.

If you're used to IT, building site/macho dude enviroment may not suit you.

It pays well though.

But you will need qualifications, actually more stringent than IT qualifications.

I work in Manufacturing, so factory/building sites etc is not an issue. I'd prefer the more hands on with electronics too.

Regarding the qualifications, I'd goto uni in 'country' if I needed to.

You get points for your age , what you do etc , watching a programme the other day it said you get top points for being in IT and for being youngish. There are a few forums on the interweb that ive read in the past for this kind of thing too

Great so I instantly have high points (or you'd think)... but what's the next process. Is there an Wannabe Aussie Residency place somewhere, that I can visit, and chat to someone to see if I qualify?

What exactly, is the next process, of sorting something over there...

As for these forums, any idea which forums?

[Salazaar]

I'd start by contacting their embassies, they'll provide you with all the info you need and possibly be able to suggest companies that'll help you get everything together.

[0iD]

Wedge22 made it successfully to Canada. Personally I'm planning on going out on a working holiday visa to test the water soon & stay with friends in Winnipeg. Some of the western Canadian states I believe pay for your relocation, for certain professions.
Get in touch with the consulate, they are very helpful.

[Spud1]

Most of the countries with Points based systems have an online tool to check status - the one for New Zealand is here:

http://www.visabureau.com/newzealand...w-zealand.aspx

I qualify to move there, being 23, 3 years experience in the IT industry, Good degree in computing sci..no job or anything over in NZ, and not been (yet), but its nice to know I have the option.

Fingers crossed in a few years time I can make an application for real..and get out of the UK for good!

[Vini]

Ok, so GF landed a job 5 weeks ago, and has been there for 2 weeks now. She's found out this morning that they're now looking to sell up, so as you can imagine she's over the moon.

This kind of crap just makes me want to jump ship even more, and whilst I realise the whole world (almost) is in this hole. I can't help but think that a happy life would perhaps make things a little easier.

A happy life is (I think) pretty hard to have in the UK as we're essentially just robots that take it every which way.

If I wanted to become a Sparky in say, Canada, what options would I have? I'm guessing as this is a practical job, that Uni and coursework wouldn't really be the best approach. Do they do hands on 'uni' or is this an apprenticeship?

[Salazaar]

If I wanted to become a Sparky in say, Canada, what options would I have? I'm guessing as this is a practical job, that Uni and coursework wouldn't really be the best approach. Do they do hands on 'uni' or is this an apprenticeship?

I think you'd find it quite hard convincing anywhere to let you in if you aren't trained up front... If you are a sparky then I'm sure there're jobs to be had but if you go there saying I'd like to live here and train, they'll laugh you out of the door.

Best bet is to do an apprenticeship here and then see about moving.

[Barakka]

I think you'd find it quite hard convincing anywhere to let you in if you aren't trained up front... If you are a sparky then I'm sure there're jobs to be had but if you go there saying I'd like to live here and train, they'll laugh you out of the door.

Best bet is to do an apprenticeship here and then see about moving.

Totally agreed, relocating to another country, be it Canada, US, NZ, AUS they're looking for skilled and experienced staff, if they wanted to train someone they could find someone local. So you need to be qualified, and have a couple of years experience before you're going... the state of play at the moment is ....

Canada - looking for skilled manual workers (builders, bricklayers, electricians etc) and healthcare (nursing etc) they publish a list of the current 'hot' skills they're looking for. The official application process can take 3-4 years, points based, quicker if you're on the required skills list. Although you can go over if you have a job on a working visa, and then apply for residency while you're there (providing you meet the points) - it's best to take this method via a relocation company to help you through it.

NZ - Looking for skilled technical workers and teachers (£££ incentive for teachers) in general - points based system application approx 1 year.

AUS - Looking for various trades, can check what is eligible. Points based system but they have annual quotas that they allow from each continent IIRC

USA - Don't bother pretty much. Only two ways in, 1) Job offer - but the company has to prove that no-one in the US can do the job so they need to bring you in. 2) Buy a business in the US - but it MUST employ US citizens, should you stop employing any US citizens, or sell the business etc then you leave regardless of how long you've been there.

HTH

[Vini]

need a transfer to our Chicago office then...

[0iD]

Being in Canada at the mo & jobhunting, I.T and healthcare are definately the best fields to go for.

[Michael]

Wanted to reply to this a couple of days ago but couldn't remember my username/password.

Anyway, your whole questions pretty much apply exactly to me so thought maybe you might like to know more from someone actually doing what your are asking about.

I worked in I.T. ('Systems Admin'/PHP Coder) for a small telesales company after leaving school for about 2 years, was going well and was earning a good enough wage considering I didn't have any formal qualifications in the field... but as you know, in the situation it is pretty much luck, and your chances of finding another job, or even advancing in a career when the only thing on your CV is "I ran a network when I left school" aren't that great.

Anyway, some things happened, I ended up leaving that company and didn't quite know what I wanted to do next.

As I was getting older, and becoming more aware of what a ****hole England is, I decided I’d quite like to emigrate to Aus... I have family there, I've been before and it's just incredible... everything about it suits me perfectly, so... that's where I want to be by the time I’m 25.

My granddad was an Electrician, so the thought was in my head, but up to this point I didn't know the first thing about any kind of manual work... I’d never even put a shelf up let alone mess around with electricity.

I did the research online, read about apprenticeships and such, discovered the whole drama that apprentices face when trying to get employment (Writing hundreds of letters, getting nowhere)... I decided a good idea would be to pop into an Electrical Contractors and ask for some advice on what I should include when writing to potential employers.... anyway, the result of doing this was my starting work at 8am the following Monday. Result. I was very, very lucky I think.

I am now halfway through my second year.... passed all my multiple choice exams in College (Attending one day a week), and a few practicals. There are some written exams coming up and some enduring practical tests (The AM2), but I’m not too worried.

It's a completely different world to I.T; you may find yourself wiring network cables and data systems, but that's about the extent of it. I have learned endless amounts of practical skills, I have a great set of tools and can do anything around the house now, regardless of whether it is electrical or not... it's the great thing about being an apprentice, you learn all sorts... not just your own trade, but bits and bobs of everything. Every day is different, none of this mundane office life crap where everybody is in a power struggle and licking the bosses arse... You just have a laugh, and a great time, and learn something that will enable you to earn decent money for the rest of your life....

I don't know where I heard it, but nothing is truer than the phrase "Whoever said school was the best days of your life was obviously never an apprentice"... absolutely spot on.

Go for it. You will not regret it, and it is a ticket to anywhere in the world you want to go.

[Whiternoise]

Depends on the company - Apple will pay for flights for people who they're really up for hiring at Cupertino - pretty sure other big corporations would too. Other companies will phone interview, video link, interview at their localised office, etc.

Wouldn't want to go to Oz, they have some absolute MORONS in government - even more so than labour.

Think closer to home, most EU countries don't have nearly as tight a stranglehold on foreign nationals - since you're from the EU. You can choose from a ton of different countries - Germany is a good choice, as is Scandinavia to a certain extent (very expensive in some countries). If elsewhere, then NZ or Canada are your best option.

Think of Canada as being the US with less of the immigration idiocy - and it's just over the border too