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SEe the above link for a worse example - it doesn't seem so bad until you find out what happens at the end.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2...lice-terrorism
SEe the above link for a worse example - it doesn't seem so bad until you find out what happens at the end.
~'Armaments, universal debt, and planned obsolescence--those are the three pillars of Western prosperity'~ Aldous Huxley
I agree with the principle, he didn't want to give his name because he seemingly had done nothing wrong, and the police officers couldn't stipulate he had other than some bogus accusation about Anti Social behaviour. On the flip side i can see why the police officers suspicions were raised when he outright refused to provide his details. It's almost like he was expecting to be pulled up.
What we can't tell from the video is what happened before the incident. At one point in the film the woman police officer stated she had received a complaint? Yet nothing more was said about this.
The thing that really pissed me off about this video was the amount of time and presumably law enforcement resource this whole incident used. I often find myself thinking 'have they really not got anything better to do'. If they had genuine grounds to detain him they should have done it about five minutes into the video, otherwise they should have just let him walk.
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I think my vote this year will be based mainly on attitudes towards civil liberty. Let's face it, whoever's in power has to deal with a shagged economy and won't be popular by the end of it whatever they do, so I may as well forget about that and vote on what is probably a more serious issue.
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If the PCSO has said she recieved a complaint then the correct way forward, imo, is to ask the offending person simply to stop filming, perhaps explain that some people were not comfortable with it. The wrong way is to march up and use a law that (and this is the key issue here) was brought in for terrorism control.Originally Posted by PeteSmith
The guy in the video myself and format linked has a disgusting attitude and doesn't deserve the job, imo.
Oh and the Tories have pledged to haul in the reins on this sort of policing too - so that gets my vote!
That one stinks of a PCSO who thinks his uniform gives him superpowers. "Yer can't film that cos of them terrorist laws 'nd stuff."
I generally don't have a problem with individual police.* Without them there would be chaos, and they tend to be professional about things. Just about every time I've seen a PCSO getting involved in things they seem to be full of themselves while not having a clue about anything.
*You could go on about how they're too busy as a collective entity doing paperwork or not caring and so on, but the individuals are usually fine.
Disgusting!! absolutely disgusting! anti social behaviour for taking photos the officers need to be sacked!
Are they really allowed to prevent the guy filming like that?!? this country is starting to be run like Iran!
Oh I dunno, why is it such a big deal to tell the Police your name and address? The officer explained her suspicion. Perhaps you'd feel differently if the pictures the bloke had taken were up your girlfriend's skirt or of your child. Why not be more receptive about the difficult job that the Police have and just assist them?
Besides, the cowardly git hides in the shadows but thinks nothing of splamming the young woman Police officer all over the internet. Privacy is important but the police have to have some means of challenging without some clever dick "are-you-arresting-us-or-are-we-free-to-go?" YouTube wannabe being the big I am.
Santa Claus, you and many others here have VERY different ideas on personal freedoms.
looking at historical events where subjects have lost their individual freedoms it hasn't worked out well.
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I don't regard assisting the police as a loss of freedom. We pay the police to support and preserve continued freedom in the important things in life. They have to make on the spot decisions some of which won't stand up to hindsight scrutiny but all in all we're all the better off for it.
The (first one) was just an awkward man IMO, who just seemed determined to make a point,
and is probably happy with the publicity.
The second one is much different, and much much worse.
Still the EU has ruled these S44 stop and searches are illegal now... at least under that particular law - they can find another excuse.
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Yes, how 'clever dick' of him, knowing his rights and making sure that they weren't infringed upon
~'Armaments, universal debt, and planned obsolescence--those are the three pillars of Western prosperity'~ Aldous Huxley
Yeah, he's a real heroYes, how 'clever dick' of him, knowing his rights and making sure that they weren't infringed upon
Wow. Just wow.
Who do you think paid the waffen ss?
Who do you think paid the FSB?
In the case of the Italian student, who simply didn't want to be bothered to interact with the police, they found an offence, which they didn't want to proceed with until she had pissed him off.
Now I'm sorry, but she is been picked on, in a way which MANY diet coke police are doing.
I'm a member of a London photography club, I work in the city, I wear a normally pinstripe suite obviously well tailored etc. They NEVER stop me when I'm in my suite, despite it been more suspicious if anything than someone who looks like an art student.
Now, some of the guys and gals in the group will be in art student casual shall we say, maybe one or two piercings or whatever their way of coping with mummy not loving them enough is (ooh.... get me been hypocritical).
The treatment they give me in a suite, vrs these guys, doing the same things is very different. This is VERY wrong to me.
The treatment they give me when I'm in a suit, vrs when I'm in casual, doing the same thing, is VERY alarming. I have had issues taken with me when I walked out of the gherkin only 5 minutes previously. The phrase I was visiting a friend got turned into me having to name the person (which I refused), instead I suggested they check with the receptionist to see if i'd just been in the building, I had, the guy apologised, about the time he realised my friend was a lawyer and I'd used a card as ID which indicates i'm a private banking customer. This is not right.
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Are you saying the British taxpayer paid the Waffen SS?
I also though it was pretty clear I was commenting on the first video.
ps she also admitted to an offence.
Stop being disingenuous Santa (Now there's a sentence I thought I'd never have to say).
~'Armaments, universal debt, and planned obsolescence--those are the three pillars of Western prosperity'~ Aldous Huxley
Depends where, and presumably what. At the airport toward the immigration gate, I believe that it's clearly written that photographs are prohibited. I agree that it's kind of hard for me to imagine how taking pictures in a city centre, during celebrations, can be seen as suspicious or anti-social or criminal.
Okay, I can think of one instance, and that involves some form of harassment. For instance, if you were taking pictures of girls legs, zooming into their cleavage and so forth. Under those circumstances, I can agree to anti-social, but it still would have nothing to do with terrorism.
I do wonder what constitutes as suspicious though. If one member of the public did make a complaint, would that warrant having to give the details etc?
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