Well said indeed! If your burgled or your cars broken into it can take anything upto 2 days around here to even see the police. Half the time they give you the crime reference over the phone and that is it as in the case of my girlfriends car getting broken into back in Sept.Originally Posted by Saracen
I know one thing. I'd hate to be the poor copper who had the temerity to ask you for anything. Just thinking about the paperwork makes me shudder.
I'll go on assisting the police in my own little way hoping that I'm helping them to do the job I want done. I realise this makes me a neutered, subservient, slave to the establishment.
I'll pop out later and get some candid shots for my own viewing pleasure and woe betide Mr Plod if he tries to interfere.
Where did I suggest that it makes you anything if you cooperate, besides someone that wants to cooperate?I know one thing. I'd hate to be the poor copper who had the temerity to ask you for anything. Just thinking about the paperwork makes me shudder.
I'll go on assisting the police in my own little way hoping that I'm helping them to do the job I want done. I realise this makes me a neutered, subservient, slave to the establishment.
I'll pop out later and get some candid shots for my own viewing pleasure and woe betide Mr Plod if he tries to interfere
But not wanting to cooperate with what I regard as unreasonable intrusions into my privacy doesn't make me belligerent either.
Look, it's simple. Either the police have a right, in given circumstances, to require name and address, or they don't. If they do have the right, you comply or probably get arrested. But if they don't have the right, then they don't have the right and that means it's our choice, and it's not belligerent to decline to give a police officer something just because he wants it. We should not be viewed with suspicion simply because we decline to provide the police with information they want, unless they have a right to require it. A request is just that .... something you can accept or decline .... without being either a subservient state lackey or a belligerent trouble maker.
You didn't, but I was reasserting my position based on the tenor of the thread rather than on something you had specifically said.
Ok. Except it's a shame that we feel the need to stifle an officer from taking the initiative in circumstances that don't look quite right to him. The bad guys hide behind this sort of thing. Now, I'm not suggesting we let the police do as they please but I choose to align myself with them in their job of keeping things the way I like them. If it means some of us are inconvenienced whilst the police nail the real troublemakers, then I can put up with it. Really, we don't know how lucky we are.But not wanting to cooperate with what I regard as unreasonable intrusions into my privacy doesn't make me belligerent either.
Look, it's simple. Either the police have a right, in given circumstances, to require name and address, or they don't. If they do have the right, you comply or probably get arrested. But if they don't have the right, then they don't have the right and that means it's our choice, and it's not belligerent to decline to give a police officer something just because he wants it. We should not be viewed with suspicion simply because we decline to provide the police with information they want, unless they have a right to require it. A request is just that .... something you can accept or decline .... without being either a subservient state lackey or a belligerent trouble maker.
This doesn't happen though. Not a single person has been picked up with these new laws.
~'Armaments, universal debt, and planned obsolescence--those are the three pillars of Western prosperity'~ Aldous Huxley
Well, perhaps not yet anyway. But does that show that the police aren't abusing the privilege?
NO!
Quite the opposite when you see how many tens of thousands of people HAVE been stopped.
think of it as an inconvience cost, a waste of tax payers money, all those people having the liberties eroded and nothing has come of it.
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Eh? But Format said not a single person has been picked up by these new laws. Y'know, in the stats you supported earlier in the thread...
yet again the statistics, if there not clear ask i'm sure someone will be able to explain the terminology:
So. thats 360,000 people stopped........ and 0 found.
I worry that people who voted for blair just don't understand this type of thing.
(also remember this is excluding the vast majority of the UK, but we all know terrorists wouldn't attack outside London, the rest of the UK just wouldn't care.)
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How long would an average stop take? The there is the required paperwork and processing to go along with it.
Half an hour? An hour? How much has this cost us, the tax payers in 2008 alone?
It has been quite clearly stated that 300,000+ have been stopped, and 0 have actually been found to be doing anything wrong. The police's "suspicions" are quite obviously entirely unfounded, as backed up by these numbers, and therefore the powers are being abused. If some people had actually been arrested as a result, that would suggest that the powers were being properly used, but instead the opposite is shown; innocent people are being harrassed for no good reason.
TheAnimus; I also worry about the people failing to understand the simple implications of clear statistics like these; but then again, it might explain their continued support of a failing government
Ok I made a mistake; it's because I'm tired of the topic. No need to be condescending btw.
Smug gitTheAnimus; I also worry about the people failing to understand the simple implications of clear statistics like these; but then again, it might explain their continued support of a failing government. But it's yet to be proven that this Government is failing. I think Labour will win the election which is bad news for all the big money 'earners'. Hrhrhrhrhrhr.
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"Because if they don't vote for a lizard. The wrong lizard might get in. " a quote for the HHGTTGTheAnimus; I also worry about the people failing to understand the simple implications of clear statistics like these; but then again, it might explain their continued support of a failing government
(\__/) All I wanted in the end was world domination and a whole lot of money to spend. - NMA
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Good point; their track record so far certainly doesn't suggest any kind of incompetence, and all those big money "earners" really don't deserve the fat stacks of cash that they roll around on their beds in.Smug gitWe'll be better off pushing them all out of the country, and financing the government through more taxes on...hmm, well, I'm sure they'll think of something to pay for all the net drains on the system that will be left!
Well it depends if you call the biggest recession since records begin, the biggest defecit since records begin, failing.Smug git
If not, they they've not failed. And i'm curious what the definition of failing would be.
Also Labour have done more to increase the gap between the rich and the poor than anyone in recent history, the distrabution of wealth has shifted into the hands of the fewer, house prices are un-affordable for most due to lack of suply where its needed.
But best of all they introduced fees for uni, so that if as a smug git who at 24 is in club top 1 percentile of earners, means I ever have kids, they will be set for life, because i'll be able to afford to send them to oxbridge or whoever don't give massive rebates from the tution fees.
The road to hell was paved with good intentions, and shockingly when someone tries to interfere with the free market, to adjust wealth distribution, they normally end up distorting it. So by trying to push the rich closer to the poor the market over-adjusts (under-damped response if we want to start using SI lingo!) and bingo the gap widens.
Take a look at what the average household was earning net in 1998 vrs costs going out, compare that to 2010......
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Good riddance too.
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