The new “employers’ charter” assimilation into the system has started,

[Kumagoro]

I think this is more of a problem for low skill worker jobs where getting rid of someone and getting
someone new in makes little difference, for example say Tesco.

[ajones]

I don't see the problem.

If you are competent at your job then it's in your employers best interest to keep you rather than go through the pain of training someone else up to the required standards. It's shocking how many people just become part of the woodwork after a few years and contribute little to the profitability of a business. They stay just because they are known and attend meetings!

Like many of the harsh realities of the moment, we are all going to have to suffer in the short term to shore up our ability in the long term, and I think it's a breath of fresh air that politicians are willing to potentially cut their political throat like this. Whatever your political views are, right now we're up a certain creek and tough policies are needed.

[Lucio]

Employement is a privilage, not a right! Employees in the UK have a lot of protections and Saracen's right it can be a real pain in the arse for companies to handle.

[badass]

The charging a fee for a tribuneral may well help but I fail to see how increasing the limit for unfair dismissal from 1 year to 2 years will help sack the lazy/incompetent people. It's not like you suddenly find out someone's lazy between the 1 year and 2 year point. Generally it's pretty obvious within 3 months if someone's lazy and certainly within 1 year if they are no good for the job. If they are not found out by then, then it should be the employers problem for missing the obvious TBH.

[TooNice]

Employement is a privilage, not a right!

That's an interesting take. One could argue that we have no 'right' of anything down to food and healthcare (many countries have none of the later if you do not pay for it). Then again, to deny someone food is to deny them life, and should that be a privilege too? If we say yes to that, then it would mean that we could take anyone's life. If we say no, then is it that much of a stretch to say that a job is as almost as important as food on the table (since it pays for it). It's much less of an option than further education.

Now granted we live in a country where people can claim benefits, and some choose not to have a job because they actually get more from the state than a minimum/low wage could afford them, but is that really what we want?

The country needs job to function, employers need employees to function, and most people need a job to live their life. If you are really exceptional at your job, it's probably the company's privilege to have you. I don't think that the statement you made really fits into this context.

[Michael]

Micheal hes some 17 year old who's not even read basic marxist theory who spends his spare time walking the fine line that is the UKs concept of Libel laws.

I see. Interesting.

Peter Cook. I suggest you go out and see the world, see the way of 'natural life', see how lucky you are to be born into an English speaking country and the prospects and oppertunities that we have, and that no matter what taxes we are paying, what laws are being changed, or who you are employed by.... you have it better than most.

Also stop reading the Sun and put your tinfoil hat down. 'The man' is not out to get us. They just want another ££ in their pocket, just like we do. The secret is to educate yourself and find a decent career. I promise you, you won't be sacked after 23 months

[peterb]

I think I agree with Too Nice on this. An employer/employee relationship should be symbiotic - mutually beneficial to both. The employer is providing employment which is providing a return on his (or his shareholders') investment. In exchange the employee is paid for his work and skill set.

Fine and dandy until the laws of supply and demand kick in of course when pay rises and falls, or industrial relations break down because of over-zealous ideology driven trade unionists, or exploitative employers who don't realise that the best way to ensure productivity is with good working conditions.

That brings its own problems though, as with (say) China where our demand for cheap goods is driving down manufacturing costs, forcing companies to use cheap labour in countries where working conditions are not as good as in the UK. But it is OUR demand for cheap goods that is one of the causes of the problem.

[mcmiller]

Employment is a privilege, not a right!

I find that really bizarre even though in sense it is true, I guess the same could be said for people who own companies its a privilege to have people work for you not a right.

[jim]

Ultimately, we don't have many rights.

[TheAnimus]

I find that really bizarre even though in sense it is true, I guess the same could be said for people who own companies its a privilege to have people work for you not a right.

Many times over, the best employers know this.

[petercook7]

Petercook, what do you do for a living?

Are you fired every 12 months at the moment? Surely this will double the time before you have to deal with being rehired now, so a bonus, no?

I mean really. Who are these people that are getting fired all year round so that the big bad employers (My boss is a nice guy, times are hard, still haven't lost my job :-/) can keep hold of a few ££ more?

What's really dragging this country down? Tabloid newspapers IMO.

I've worked all over europe, ive seen these laws missused, by small and large companies, you are assuming all companies will use this, i say some will used this law.
You carry on defending them, go ahead but dont come back in 10 years and start moaning about how unfair the system is. You are being sold, wake up open your eyes.

Then we have this"Government will not limit banks' bonus pools " sell out lib/cons,they have sold us out and uturned on what they said, how can you trust them.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE70945620110110

[Michael]

I've worked all over europe, ive seen these laws missused, by small and large companies, you are assuming all companies will use this, i say some will used this law.
You carry on defending them, go ahead but dont come back in 10 years and start moaning about how unfair the system is. You are being sold, wake up open your eyes.

Then we have this"Government will not limit banks' bonus pools " sell out lib/cons,they have sold us out and uturned on what they said, how can you trust them.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE70945620110110

Well, I disagree. I highly doubt myself or anybody I know who takes their job seriously is going to find themselves losing it after 23 months. Besides which, my trade is self sufficient. I'd earn more working for myself.

People who may find this law being used against them, I suspect, will probably deserve it. If you don't have the passion or drive to pursue a stable career for your life then why should it be a given that you can doss about turning up to fill your hours in at some unskilled job just because it meets the balance of minimum effort and stable income.

You seem highly strung. I put it to you that a life spent getting so worked up about governmental decisions will ultimately lead to a miseable old peter cook. If they do something and then you find yourself in a worse position, sure, complain. All this negative speculation is useless. Have you been listening to Ed "**** idea. We'd do it better" Milliband or something?

[badass]

Well, I disagree. I highly doubt myself or anybody I know who takes their job seriously is going to find themselves losing it after 23 months. Besides which, my trade is self sufficient. I'd earn more working for myself.

People who may find this law being used against them, I suspect, will probably deserve it. If you don't have the passion or drive to pursue a stable career for your life then why should it be a given that you can doss about turning up to fill your hours in at some unskilled job just because it meets the balance of minimum effort and stable income.

You seem highly strung. I put it to you that a life spent getting so worked up about governmental decisions will ultimately lead to a miseable old peter cook. If they do something and then you find yourself in a worse position, sure, complain. All this negative speculation is useless. Have you been listening to Ed "**** idea. We'd do it better" Milliband or something?

If you've seen the mans previous posts about how he treats his employers, you'll understand why he's worried about the government reducing employees rights.

[TeePee]

Most states in the USA are not 'right to work' states. Meaning you can be fired at any time for no reason at all.

[badass]

Most states in the USA are not 'right to work' states. Meaning you can be fired at any time for no reason at all.

That doesn't make it right.

[Blitzen]

if the employer wanted to end someones job after 23 months they still have to pay them redundancy pay

No they don't.
You must serve a minumum two years to automatically qualify

Besides which, my trade is self sufficient. I'd earn more working for myself.

So why do you not work for yourself?