Desecration on UK Commonwealth World War Cemetery in Benghazi

[petercook7]

Let's be serious for a second Peter, really seriously serious. People leave war torn (often our war no less, or one we've funded) countries and trek across a continent because they're lazy?

And you have personally spent time with every Muslim to have entered the UK since 1990? And they are all hateful?

A younger generation of Muslims is giving them all a bad name?

I'm gonna be frank for a minute, you can still be Peter but I'm going to be frank. That's nonsense mate. Nonsense. Lack of education, understanding, a language barrier and a very stereotypical view of middle eastern people is what's giving them a bad name.

Your argument is akin to saying all white people are evil because there's a Klu Klux Clan.

Sorry, but it's important to high light I never said anything about colour, you lot are bring in the colour aspect to the argument no me, you are trying to convert this into a racist argument by trying to bring colour into this, which it not my point and will never be.

What it shows me that over the years you have been brain washed to automatically think of colour, and racist, which is not the case.

[petercook7]

Your words no one is twisting them. Why don't you go back to reading your Daily Mail.

How can i be racist if i said "If they come from the middle east, I don't care if they are white brown etc.." I am not going on about race am I.
This is what i said

I think we should have left them at it, and we should not get involved Syria or anywhere else unless there is a direct threat to Britain. Britain should close the doors to any middle east asylum seekers.

Look at the word ANY, there is no reference to colour.
So you suggest that western/ Chinese people can not be Muslims? ismt that a racist comment.

[kalniel]

I am using it correctly, did i say anything about all Muslims no i did'nt,

Ah. I must be imagining things.

there are places in the UK that are no open to non Muslim British citizens. My GF knows a few white families that were forced to move out of Luton by Muslim gangs, and there children attacked by those groups, BTW its not only white families its black families as well.

I guess I'm imagining the colour references as well. Hey ho.

[petercook7]

Ah. I must be imagining things.



I guess I'm imagining the colour references as well. Hey ho.

(BTW its not only white families its black families as well,) because that's whats going on, to point out that different groups have been targeted. damn if i do damn if i dont.

[petercook7]

Ah. I must be imagining things.



I guess I'm imagining the colour references as well. Hey ho.

So you want to hide it under the carpet, Muslim British citizens does that refer to colour now? it does not.
I think some of you are racists for even thinking Muslims can not be White, Chinese etc..

[Knoxville]

Sorry, but it's important to high light I never said anything about colour, you lot are bring in the colour aspect to the argument no me, you are trying to convert this into a racist argument by trying to bring colour into this, which it not my point and will never be.

What it shows me that over the years you have been brain washed to automatically think of colour, and racist, which is not the case.

You did actually make a specific reference to colour. Right after you said that you didn't care what it was. You said if someone was from the middle east that they shouldn't be allowed in this country. That is discrimination. Simple.

If I said no African, be they white or black, should be allowed into my country because they're all horrible, that would still be a racist argument to make on my part.

When Top Gear implies all Mexicans are lazy half wits, that's racism and they are made to apologise.

Bigotry isn't always just about skin colour.

As it stands some of the opinions expressed in this thread (on both sides) are getting close to breaking our forum rules. I asked politely that we get back on topic, if however we can't get this thread back on topic I will be going through and clearing out all the dead wood shortly.

[petercook7]

You did actually make a specific reference to colour. Right after you said that you didn't care what it was. You said if someone was from the middle east that they shouldn't be allowed in this country. That is discrimination. Simple.

If I said no African, be they white or black, should be allowed into my country because they're all horrible, that would still be a racist argument to make on my part.

When Top Gear implies all Mexicans are lazy half wits, that's racism and they are made to apologise.

Bigotry isn't always just about skin colour.

As it stands some of the opinions expressed in this thread (on both sides) are getting close to breaking our forum rules. I asked politely that we get back on topic, if however we can't get this thread back on topic I will be going through and clearing out all the dead wood shortly.

If i said non Muslims i be called up on the colour issue, however white Muslims are being targeted as well.
So when papers say Somalis attack ships i should take that as a racist comment aswell.
what do you think would happen if the role was reversed?

[Knoxville]

So when papers say Somalis attack ships i should take that as a racist comment aswell.

If newspapers said exactly that, and I mean they used precisely your words, then yes, you could. They don't, they might say "Somlian Pirates have taken a ship and are holding several UK citizens for ransom". That is a statement of fact, it makes no pre-supposition that people from Somalia are all pirates or to any aspect of their personality or behaviour based on where they are from or who they choose to worship, you may not have made mention of skin colour but that's pretty much exactly what you've been doing for the last three pages.

If you want to talk about a gross show of disrespect for the dead and the REAL historical or social reasons behind the resentment those individuals quite obviously feel and have chosen to show in a gross and disrespectful fashion, fine. Please do that.

But that is not what you have been doing. Instead you've made irrefutably discriminatory remarks and said nothing that amounts to a more intelligent argument than the phrase "Not in my back yard".

Now, consider this my final warning. Back on topic, and respectfully please gents. I won't say it again.

[peterb]

This post has gone a looooooonnnnnng way from the original point about the desecration of British War Graves in protest at the burning of a book in America, and I',m not convinced that the direction it has taken is relevant to that topic.

We do not tolerate racism on HeXus, although debates about the relative merits of immigation (for example) are permitted - although in some instances, that debate might have to be phrased very carefully. And that is NOT a topic for this thread.

Soory - just realised I cross posted with knoxville - but what he said

[petercook7]

you may not have made mention of skin colour but that's pretty much exactly what you've been doing for the last three pages.



But that is not what you have been doing. Instead you've made irrefutably discriminatory remarks and said nothing that amounts to a more intelligent argument than the phrase "Not in my back yard".

Now, consider this my final warning. Back on topic, and respectfully please gents. I won't say it again.

The point out Muslims from the middle east, l the same way they reported Kosovo Conflict etc..
or am i supposed to respond with the names and addresses in order not to group?

Back to the point there was no need to pick on the dead that gave there lives for the freedom, if this would have been US/UK forces they'll be up in arms, but as it was the western grave its ok, nothing to complain about.

They have gotten away with this, the west should respond by i'd refusing all aid for a period till they restore those graves, it simple respect the dead or you get no help.

If they don't even respect the dead we should just leave them at it, i don't want British lives to be wasted on countries that don't see the sacrifice some western families give up.
Personally we should allow them to kill each other its gone on for too long now, and close our borders.

[blueball]

They have gotten away with this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17244211

"It is worth saying the Libyan authorities themselves are shocked too.

"They have been extremely apologetic and made a very strong commitment they will get to the bottom of this."

The BBC understands that at some point during the attack on the British Military Cemetery a group of older people intervened, preventing further damage.

[TheAnimus]

The point out Muslims from the middle east, l the same way they reported Kosovo Conflict etc..
or am i supposed to respond with the names and addresses in order not to group?

It's not that, its the fact you've taken a superset of people, sliced it by religion and race, well place of origin, and asserted that they are all alike in a negative manner.

[petercook7]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17244211

You really believe what the BBC say? the BBC are seen as a joke, government mouth piece, it known as British Falsehood Corporation, editorial jobs at the BBC pass to MI5 for vetting and have 6 monthly interviews.
Find out whats really going on in libya, read up about Amnesty International and Doctors without Borders why they are leaving. Whats really going on there, the government is part of it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...80T21Z20120130

[blueball]

You really believe what the BBC say? the BBC are seen as a joke, government mouth piece, it known as British Falsehood Corporation, editorial jobs at the BBC pass to MI5 for vetting.
Find out whats really going on in libya, read up about Amnesty International and Doctors without Borders why they are leaving. Whats really going on there, the government is part of it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...80T21Z20120130

said the man that reads the daily mail. I'm out of this one.

[petercook7]

said the man that reads the daily mail. I'm out of this one.

The daily mail does have some good reporting, it's there, the BBC is bias and the reason why it was created was for government propaganda and the reason you pay a license fee is to reassure the British public its free from government control.

[0iD]

Remind me briefly what was the original topic please.