London Metropolitan Uni - it's not often that I'm ashamed to be British...

[pp05]

Is the UKBA going to apologise?

[TooNice]

It's not like the one person out of 2000 gets a death sentence. They get inconvenienced.

It may not be a death sentence, but it is more than just an "inconvenience" unless taxpayers fit the bill of relocation and other relevant financial burden (it's not exactly a tenner).

[Rave]

This attitude prevailing through our criminal justice system is what's causing so many people to suffer at the hands of repeat offenders.

Is it? How did you figure that one out?

Are you saying that collective punishment is a good idea?

It's also the reason for our heavily bloated welfare spending on professional spongers.

Again, no its not. 'Professional spongers' can prosper because our government isn't good enough at creating workable rules and then enforcing them.

It's not like the one person out of 2000 gets a death sentence. They get inconvenienced. Some time in life something goes wrong through no fault of your own. It's called tough luck.

Says the man who sent his car back for a full refund for a minor and intermittent fault. Not prepared to put that one down to tough luck were you? Ten grand is a lot less than most of these foreign students have invested in their degrees.

I don't agree with the UKBA's handling of this particular case

Why not just say that then, rather than coming up with an irrelevant rant about crimmos and benefit scroungers? Nobody that I can see is arguing that the 'students' who have been blatantly abusing their visas shouldn't be chucked out of the country forthwith. Clearly, they should. I am at a loss as to why this should necessitate any inconvenience to those who have acted in good faith.

[Rave]

Quick blog post on the subject:

http://angryliberalrage.blogspot.co....youve-got.html

I've tagged (labelled) the crap out of it, but I'd be grateful to anyone who can point out any relevant ones I've missed. I'd like to warn as many potential scam victims as possible. Thanks in advance for your help!

[badass]

Is it? How did you figure that one out?

That's explained in the latter part of my post. Sometimes, you have to break a few eggs to make an omlette. Your post

Supposedly 2000 students are affected. Frankly, I don't care if 1999 of them were blatantly abusing our visa system- even if that was the case, the one remaining student who had come here in good faith should ABSOLUTELY NOT be being screwed this way.

made it pretty clear you are so desperately concerned that the 0.05%'s rights trump the prevention of abuse by the 99.95% in your statement.
The latter part of my post explains how that attitude causes problems.

Are you saying that collective punishment is a good idea?

Nope. In your hypothetical institution example, 99.95% of all of the students are being allowed to abuse the immigration rules and restrictions.
The impact to the british public in general of 1999 illegal immigrants being allowed to continue to abuse their position is far, far greater than the impact of one innocent student having to find another university to continue their studies.
As an example of the impact, the UKBA pointed out a large number could not meet basic english standards. If they get arrested, the taxpayer has to fork out for a translator and the extras time in custody to ensure that the justice process is followed properly.
Another example, many people in london use the bus system to get to work. Nothing more annoying to an entire bus full of people than 5-6 people all entering the bus, trying to work out how to ask the bus driver if the bus goes where they want, some leaving and harassing another bus full of people and some eventually boarding, having caused the bus to stay at the stop for a lot longer causing everyone on the bus to be over 20 minutes late.
This happens regularly round Cambridge and isn't entirely predictable.

Again, no its not. 'Professional spongers' can prosper because our government isn't good enough at creating workable rules and then enforcing them.

Rules that are there because they are desperately trying to avoid not paying someone deserving. Ironically with the massively complicated processes designed to help those in need, they tend to deny the genuine whilst the professional benefits paperwork filling spongers do well.

Says the man who sent his car back for a full refund for a minor and intermittent fault. Not prepared to put that one down to tough luck were you? Ten grand is a lot less than most of these foreign students have invested in their degrees.

I won't even dignify that ridiculously tenuous link with an answer. A completely different situation.

Why not just say that then, rather than coming up with an irrelevant rant about crimmos and benefit scroungers? Nobody that I can see is arguing that the 'students' who have been blatantly abusing their visas shouldn't be chucked out of the country forthwith. Clearly, they should. I am at a loss as to why this should necessitate any inconvenience to those who have acted in good faith.

You made a statement in this thread, I responded to that statement as well as the thread subject.
If there was anything wrong with that in anyone's eyes other than yours, i'm sure moderators would have had a word