September 11th

[Knoxville]

Silentdeath, i agree that america needed knocking off the pedastal of invincibility they thought they had, but NOT at the cost of innocent lives, the people in those towers didn't deserve to die for a fanatics grudge against a country.

Do you expect not to hear about 9/11 alot or something?

its a huge mark in history, and alot more important than many things that are remembered all too often, just because you have a beef with america don't try and make out like america deserved what happened.

The u.s may have no right to enter iraq, but did that plane have any right to enter the side of the world trade center?

2 wrongs don't make a right, especially when they're on this kind of scale

[SilentDeath]

So what did the people in the 2 towers do to piss you off ? Are you pleased that they are dead? By the sounds of things, you are.
I pity you.

they didnt piss me off, its the ppl like u, who think anything they did must be right. i see americas actions after 11/9 as being far worse. read my previos post, how can u think i would be pleased that ppl have died?. u think that anything the US has done after the event will help prevent similar ones in the future? no, so how can u support them. if the US wanted to make the world a better place, there are a LOT of other ways they could have spent there money instead of bringing two countrys to their knees.

2 wrongs don't make a right, especially when they're on this kind of scale

the US had no right to enter iraq, just like the plane had no right to enter the two towers, so what does that tell us? retalition is a good thing. i dont agree, esp as the terrorists might see their attacks as the retaliation to whatever the US might have done first *if they did*. i think it will make it worse, more attacks will happen because of the US responce, then they will be shocked again etc.. and it will never stop. and this is why the US deserve it, because they are making sure it WILL happen again. oh and americans pride themselves as living in a free country, bs. saddams sons for example should have been treated as crimials and put in a prison (yes, if the US could be arsed enuf to rebuild iraq properly) not shot dead. they never commited any war crimes like saddam, there deaths were part of the propagandea to support the US.

i expected to hear about it a lot, not just because a lot of ppl died, but because the US is a superpower, and noone ever thought it would happen, because the US is sooo uber with their military crap. defencless lemmings imo.

remeber bush wouldnt do anything, no matter how important, without a large amount of propagana to support it. i hate propaganda - advertising to turn the stupid ppl on ur side. if they gave us the FACTS, showed us the evidance of WMD in iraq (and not the pathetic speaches) then i would support them, until polititions give us facts, i will never belive them. blair is just as bad, if not worse, esp with the 45minutes claim.

[THCi]

My view is that the way america goes about wars, political or miliatary, they should expect some reprisals. Im not saying that it was wather barbaric of Bin Ladens "troops" to go about an act of reprisal like this.

But the way they attacked afganistan, Iraq, and who ever is next. They should expect something of this sort in the future.

Was religion the cause of this, no, unless your religion is anti-american. Which I can understand to some extent. Being a brit, seeing the way that america has gone about in Bagdad full combat gear, whereas the british in basra are wearing berets instead of helmets. Who would you attack in this situation?

Americans thats who, they lead the war, they are still expecting trouble, and bring such trouble as in bagdad on themselves.


Do not mis-understand me when I say what I have said, I do respect the dead. I respect even more the people who risked, and lost, thier lives saving those who were traped. That takes guts, pure and simple.

[Skii]

Originally posted by |SilentDeath|
they didnt piss me off, its the ppl like u, who think anything they did must be right. i see americas actions after 11/9 as being far worse. read my previos post, how can u think i would be pleased that ppl have died?. u think that anything the US has done after the event will help prevent similar ones in the future? no, so how can u support them. if the US wanted to make the world a better place, there are a LOT of other ways they could have spent there money instead of bringing two countrys to their knees.



the US had no right to enter iraq, just like the plane had no right to enter the two towers, so what does that tell us? retalition is a good thing. i dont agree, esp as the terrorists might see their attacks as the retaliation to whatever the US might have done first *if they did*. i think it will make it worse, more attacks will happen because of the US responce, then they will be shocked again etc.. and it will never stop. and this is why the US deserve it, because they are making sure it WILL happen again. oh and americans pride themselves as living in a free country, bs. saddams sons for example should have been treated as crimials and put in a prison (yes, if the US could be arsed enuf to rebuild iraq properly) not shot dead. they never commited any war crimes like saddam, there deaths were part of the propagandea to support the US.

i expected to hear about it a lot, not just because a lot of ppl died, but because the US is a superpower, and noone ever thought it would happen, because the US is sooo uber with their military crap. defencless lemmings imo.

remeber bush wouldnt do anything, no matter how important, without a large amount of propagana to support it. i hate propaganda - advertising to turn the stupid ppl on ur side. if they gave us the FACTS, showed us the evidance of WMD in iraq (and not the pathetic speaches) then i would support them, until polititions give us facts, i will never belive them. blair is just as bad, if not worse, esp with the 45minutes claim.

Actually, people like me give a toss about 3000 dead people who had bugger all to do with Bush's foregin policy, just going about their daily work.

A colleague of mine lost his friend in the 2 towers, I saw first hand just a little fraction of the grief caused by that event, it wasn't very nice, suffice to say its people like YOU waving the 'Evil America' flag that get on my tits frankly, your hatred of the US foreign policy distorts your opinions to the extent that 9/11 was just something that they 'had coming' - who is 'they' exactly ?

What really ****S me off is that all we see is anti-americanism everywhere, but these bastards that INTENTIONALLY target innocent civilians with the express intention of causing grief and suffering don't get a mention.

Some of you really need to reassess your priorities.

[steve threlfall]

9/11 on dvd

I think this is in bad taste if its a commercial thing but we do need some record as to what happend. Just as in our schools teenagers are shown the videos of thousands of holocaust victims being buried, we will need to show others what happend on 11/09 one day.

Such videos should be purely for education and the money should go to charitys.

[SilentDeath]

Skii, tbh i think u mis understand my posts, i think it was very tragic etc... and innocent ppl should not be targeted, but america has just done the same (if by accident) in retaliation. enuf ppl have died already from sept 11th, and more because of what happened after.

these bastards that INTENTIONALLY target innocent civilians with the express intention of causing grief and suffering don't get a mention.

they get plenty, america gets 0 for what it has done.

i was just sharing my oppinion that 80,000 ppl die in a terrorist attack, so the polititions that run the county think its ok to kill more, whilst using 11/9 for propagana. i am anti-america, i dont think society and life should be driven forward by money, and the US have money they think they rule the world, but i never ment that the innocent ppl should suffer.

[Knoxville]

Originally posted by |SilentDeath|
i expected to hear about it a lot, not just because a lot of ppl died, but because the US is a superpower, and noone ever thought it would happen, because the US is sooo uber with their military crap. defencless lemmings imo.

No superpower or country for that matter can effectivley fight a war against a small force, it takes that small group a day to mobilise and carry out its attack, it takes america weeks to approve all the stuff they wanna do, tbh no-matter how uber you are your still not gonna be able to fight against small groups as they know all your weaknesses and exploit them to the maximum *cough* vietnam */cough*

[Skii]

Fair enough m8

I want to lay this discussion to rest now because it winds me up tbh.

[sexeh]

as with any attack my condolences go out to the grief stricken familys

[M@rco]

My condolences to all who have lost someone in this tragic event, there are too many differences in the world for everyone to get along but why resort to kill innocent people who were just trying to do their jobs. That message also goes to the fire fighters, police and ambulance workers who all tried to save others and some paid the ultimate price.

[Anders]

SilentDeath you need to distinguish between the acts of the US government and the general population of the US. I find your hatred of people you’ve never met because of where they were born strange, racist and saddening. Hoping for more terrorist attacks in the US is bang out of order.

I don’t agree with Bush’s policies, e.g. things like his blocking of attempts to reduce climate change. I also don’t think that the US government went into Iraq for the right reasons, but if the effect in the long run is a free Iraq then I see this as a good thing. If the US hadn’t entered Iraq, Saddam and his sons would probably be in power for years to come, and in the long run more people would have been tortured and executed. War is never a good idea, but what was the alternative? The UN would have never done anything about it, especially with France and Russia protecting Saddam. Those two countries didn’t oppose the war because of “humanitarian” reasons; they opposed it because they did the most trade with Saddam’s Iraq and therefore had most too lose.

As for Saddam’s brutal sons, they were just as much as part of the regime as Saddam himself, some of the things they’ve done are awful. Now I don’t believe in the death penalty (another bone I have with Bush), and so don’t believe they deserved to die, but if someone is going to fight to the death and not be taken alive, the chances of catching them alive is slim to none. One example of this is that during the Iran-Iraq war: Saddam and his party accidentally crossed the border into Iran, Saddam ordered his bodyguards to shoot him, should the need be, rather than being caught alive.

SilentDeath, how do you know that security checks will do nothing? You talk about facts, so I’d be interested to hear what you are basing this on. Also what are your alternatives to our current political system involving the use of speeches and to the use of money in the world?