Cannabis policing relaxed

[BoB_DoG]

homerhassall, you try and find figures for cannabis related assaults/crime/lost working time and general misery. I bet (apart for the lost working time.. Bahahahah, come on, no seriously. hahahah, muthaF.ah) that there is barely any found in the entire world.. this is not the sixties.. we are not "dope fiends"

Sorry. v v pissed.

[Bazzlad]

I know people in Wordsley and lots of them who rob to pay for their canabis. they dont do much while taking it, but they have to pay for it before hand.
I thik drinks ok as long as its not too much, remember once you're over 21 it's medically proven 1 pint a day is good for you.
And hey Jesus turned water into wine, not weed.

Potheads suck.

[Bunjiweb]

do they suck nearly as much as your ignorrant, and uninformed opinion Bazzlad?

Obviously not, cus i don't suck do i.....

[itsanobscureid]

Originally posted by Bazzlad

And hey Jesus turned water into wine, not weed.

he did what 'r kid?

[Punky]

F*ck Jesus, thats bullsh*t. potheads don't suck , the majority of us are educated, helpful and hard-working people, who just have a smoke to unwind and relax with friends. its just the minority of idiots who spoil it. the fools from Wordsley you mentioned - do they take anything else?
if you are gonna go for the religion argument, who did the bible say created plants n that? god.... who created alcohol? man did.... so if you're gonna take the god-squad approach, then think about who made which, and which you trust more, with your 'faith' obviously guiding you in life. (i was brought up with religion forced down my throat, i hate it, but i can argue bout it reasonably well )
the only way i can see for cannabis to be legalised is for the massive stigma that the general public have about it being lifted, otherwise acceptance of it as a social drug, along with alcohol, with never happen. peace.

[Bazzlad]

Right point one.
My opinion is different to yours which makes it

ignorrant, and uninformed

Does it? Bullrubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish.

Name one point I made which isn't a fact (minus the jesus bit, which is unproven, but in my opinion a fact) oh wait there isn't one....how uninformed must I be?

F*ck Jesus, thats bullsh*

Watch your mouth Haden, I'm a Christian and I don't like that tone.

potheads don't suck , the majority of us are educated, helpful and hard-working people, who just have a smoke to unwind and relax with friends

Idiot. You're just totally contradicted yourself. The difference between a weed smoker and a pothead is the same as a drinker and an alcoholic. There are users and abusers.

who did the bible say created plants n that

A reasonable argument, but, correct me if I'm wrong....does weed grow in little brown chunks wrapped in a Rizzla stuffed in tobbaco and lit? No. Man made. All the ingrediants for beer are natural too, just put together. Wine is a lot more natural than weed.

Cannabis was not made plant wise to be smoked. Rather to be rubbed on ones body when in pain (which if you do some research you'll find is what happened.)

Pot heads still suck.
Please read the above to fully comprehend this statement.

[Punky]

Originally posted by Bazzlad
Watch your mouth Haden, I'm a Christian and I don't like that tone.

well, i'm not a christian, and i have every right to express my opinion on the subject.
what on earth would rubbing it on your body do to you!? the THC crystals (the main psychoactive part of the plant) would just get stuck on your hairs, then drop off after doing feck-all. it has been smoked for ages, by native indians and other ancient tribes. i know they didn't have king size rizla or anything, but they managed. eating it is also a (fun) possibility, but using it as a body-rub sounds stupid to me. hemp oil is used in cosmetics, but that's extracted from the seeds and used for improving skin quality and that, plus it contains about 0.03% THC (compared to about 15% in decent skunk), according to american hemp regulations.
also, how do you tell the difference between a weed smoker and a pothead? it seems that anyone who enjoys a smoke is classed as a pot-head, yet the people who have the occasional puff at a party are called weed smokers. this confuses me, so please explain.
also, you seem so keen to defent alcohol, which causes a hell of a lot more problems than weed. how many stoned people do you see starting fights or damaging stuff on a friday and saturday night?! people emerging from the pubs, full of beer or whatever cause a hell of a lot of trouble and violence (i hate violence), whilst the stoners are just sitting at home, watching TV, listenin to music or playin video games with their mates.
take last night for example - went out, had a couple of joints to chill out (had a crap day) and played snooker. no trouble whatsoever. but if we had been drinking, stuff gets broken, people get annoyed, fights start etc...
peace

[Bazzlad]

well, i'm not a christian, and i have every right to express my opinion on the subject.

There's voicing an opinion but saying F*** Jesus isn't raising one it's being a tw*t.

Rubbing the leaves of the plant onto your body gives pain relief, it's what they used to do in the biblical times, there's a theory saying thats how Jesus performed some of his miracle cures, but I'm sceptical to that. This THC, does this give the high or the pain relief (Remember the two parts ARE seperate-that's why scientists are trying to seperate them for pharmacutical use).

also, how do you tell the difference between a weed smoker and a pothead?

The same way you tell the difference between a drinker and an alcoholic. Quantity.

you seem so keen to defent alcohol, which causes a hell of a lot more problems than weed.

Pot is a lot more expensive than beer, and I can't justify the way most potheads I know fund their little habit, normally by robbing, or dealing, be it pot, be it stronger drugs...
How many alcoholics deal drugs to fund their habit?

A lot of people, knowing it or not, get hooked on Pot. They find it hard to act normal without it, and becoming all nervy and edgy, unless they've had a joint. I don't like that reliance factor, the way they start to believe they need a joint to have a good night etc

I don't fight after drinking, I can handle my beer obviously, it doesn't make me violent. Most fights (Fueled by alcohol) are actually started by people hitting on peoples girlfriends, old rivalships etc, and due to going into a small enviorment, packed full of people with loud music blasting out etc
Think about it. 4 mates at home enjoying a spliff. Is there going to be a fight? No.

4 mates go to a nightclub full of scantily clad women and their boyfriends, and singles hitting on to 400+ people in a very tight space, will there be a fight? More likely. Doesn't mean alcohol fuels it. Doesn't mean it doesn't.

[Punky]

i work to pay for my weed, as do all my mates. if i have no money, or not much money, then i just have to go without weed. its simple enough. THC does both, pain relief and high. i suffered rather a serious back injury a couple of years ago (snapped coxyx) (sp?) and the doctor would only give me paracetamol for the pain. did it work? did it hell... i had to resort to smoking weed to get rid of the pain, and it worked amazingly well. but i also do it for the social aspect, of being relaxed, unwinding and chilling out with friends.

[Bazzlad]

THC can't do both, unless the molecule can be split in to seperate parts, while both having the same effect.
I'd research that bit but I gotta go now, someone look into it and post your findings...

[Bunjiweb]

right, this thread will be closed if the attitude on BOTH sides doesnt improve.

And Bazzlad, i don't like your tone at all, and it isnt your place to say otherwise.

So, if u want this thread to stay open, have a proper discussion, not a childish misinformed arguement.

Ben

[DaBeeeenster]

Originally posted by Slick
But if you're taking that argument, alcohol and cigarettes are heavily taxed so can pay for the negative externalities they produce. But if you started putting 60% tax on cannabis not many would buy it, instead they'd get a couple of seeds and grow it, causing the damage to the NHS etc but the Government having no extra revenue to pay for it.

People can already do this, though, cant they? You can buy seeds in the UK no problem. If it were legal and taxed, it would be VERY cheap for the government to produce and so the majority of the money the government would get in terms of revenue would be profit.

Besides, growing plants is a PITA. Takes ages, you need some fairly expensive kit, it's a hassle, you need lots of space etc. etc. You can buy beer brewing kits, but pubs in England are hardly empty are they?

I reckon your point is very weak tbh...

[DaBeeeenster]

Bazzlad. Are you seriously saying you know people that rob to pay for cannabis? LMAO! You think getting stoned is more expensive then getting drunk?

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, sorry.

[Slick]

Originally posted by DaBeeeenster
People can already do this, though, cant they? You can buy seeds in the UK no problem. If it were legal and taxed, it would be VERY cheap for the government to produce and so the majority of the money the government would get in terms of revenue would be profit.

Besides, growing plants is a PITA. Takes ages, you need some fairly expensive kit, it's a hassle, you need lots of space etc. etc. You can buy beer brewing kits, but pubs in England are hardly empty are they?

But not many people grow atm due to it being illegal, and you don't need expensive kit, a light and an airing cupboard will be more than enough.

[DaBeeeenster]

Originally posted by Bazzlad

4 mates go to a nightclub full of scantily clad women and their boyfriends, and singles hitting on to 400+ people in a very tight space, will there be a fight? More likely. Doesn't mean alcohol fuels it. Doesn't mean it doesn't.

You are deluded. Sorry.

An All-Party Group of MPs investigating alcohol and crime was advised by the British Medical Association that alcohol is a factor in:

* 60-70% of homicides
* 75% of stabbings
* 70% of beatings
* 50% of fights and domestic assaults

The Police Superintendents advised that alcohol is present in half of all crime.

The National Association of Probation Officers advised that 30% of offenders on probation and 58% of prisoners have severe alcohol problems and that alcohol is a factor in their offence or pattern of offending.

Let me repeat that. The Police Superintendents advised that alcohol is present in half of all crime.

Do some research, and know what you are talking about before you post. Your posts are misguided.

[Swafe]

jesus smoked the wacky backy, its in the bible

plus, how else did he do mircles like healing people who were about to die? probably gave them a 1/8 and the pain was gone


they didnt teach that bit in RS..