Not a single thread on the US election?

[TooNice]

It's only afterwards when the despot/tyrant/loon is nicely ensconced in power that people will realise the full implication of that, often realising too late that it might not have been such a wise idea after all.

I can agree with most of what you say, except mainly with the part about realisation in the end. Some might, but I suspect that many would still believe that it was the right call. And if the person is competent at swaying and controlling the mind of people, it can get quite scary indeed. Well, the election is one thing, but before too long we'll find out what Trump is really like.

[Corky34]

That doesn't make my comment rubbish. The National Socialist movement would not have had traction without the discontentment of the German populace who felt impoverished and humiliated en-masse through the 20s and early 30s, via the various post WWI treaties, reparations, depressions, hyper inflation and economic collapse that ensued. Take away that petri dish and it is not likely Hitler would have had the platform from which to build his power base. Content people by and large do not go for the radical option. It is the discontentment that brings in the desire for radical change.

The National Socialist movement isn't the only example of fascism, the petri dish may change but the national pride, restoration of glory, and fighting the establishment doesn't, whether it be the various post WWI treaties, reparations, depressions, hyper inflation and economic collapse that ensued or something else, fascism doesn't thrive were discontent breeds, it thrives where people allow it too.

Take your example of a petri dish, fascism doesn't only thrive in the petri dish labeled discontent, it can thrive anywhere if people don't wash their hand because it's to complex.

[MisterJace]

Just another person that tells the people what they want to hear to get their votes and now he's in I bet he'll go back on his word just like the people before him.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I really don't understand how Bernie Saunders lost to Clinton.

[badass]

Sorry that's rubbish, fascism thrives when people allow it, it's a result of political outsiders stoking xenophobia in a nation where the poor feel marginalised, and blaming complex problems on scapegoated minorities, it's what happened with Brexit and Trump, both had politicians blaming complex problems on "them".


Sounds familiar?



Sounds very familiar.

The National Socialist movement isn't the only example of fascism, the petri dish may change but the national pride, restoration of glory, and fighting the establishment doesn't, whether it be the various post WWI treaties, reparations, depressions, hyper inflation and economic collapse that ensued or something else, fascism doesn't thrive were discontent breeds, it thrives where people allow it too.

Take your example of a petri dish, fascism doesn't only thrive in the petri dish labeled discontent, it can thrive anywhere if people don't wash their hand because it's to complex.

You quote and use that blog post like it is established fact, rather than simply another opinion. The power of the written word

Perhaps a better way to prove your position would be evidence such as a country that was not discontent that embraced fascism.

[TeePee]

I really don't understand how Bernie Saunders lost to Clinton.

Money.

[Flibb]

Clinton represented the established order in the party, lots of people's careers were riding on her.

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[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

He seems to have more conviction in that interview on CNN,than in any of the speeches Hilary Clinton gave,which I bothered to watch.

Having said that,how do people generally consider him in the US??

[directhex]

My entirely unqualified estimation was more in the order of 10-20 years for war between europe and russia.

Didn't even wait a week. http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...aw-from-border

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Didn't even wait a week. http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...aw-from-border

TBF,we can have a go at Russia,but I doubt we would not be feeling a bit scared if China had a military force in Ireland,and we sort of annexed part of that country too.

Sadly,this has been brewing for a very long time. If we have a NATO alliance right next to Russian borders,it might cause a conflict,and if we don't it might cause a conflict too.

I am still not sure what utter moron in the 90s thought it was a good idea to plonk an ABM system in Europe which changed the whole concept of MAD. It was not even implemented in Europe during the 1970s,when the US decided to can their last proper system.

[Corky34]

You quote and use that blog post like it is established fact, rather than simply another opinion. The power of the written word

While that blog post isn't an established fact it is a widely accepted opinion that's shared among most historians.

Perhaps a better way to prove your position would be evidence such as a country that was not discontent that embraced fascism.

Or you could just look at the countries that have been discontent in the past and not embraced fascism, i assure you there's many more of those than the opposite.

What i was trying to point out, perhaps rather cack handedly, was that correlation does not imply causation, just because fascism has thrived were discontent has breed doesn't mean discontent caused it.

[badass]

Didn't even wait a week. http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...aw-from-border

I see that as an opportunity to trigger a reduction in tension, rather than a new threat!

[badass]

Or you could just look at the countries that have been discontent in the past and not embraced fascism, i assure you there's many more of those than the opposite.

What i was trying to point out, perhaps rather cack handedly, was that correlation does not imply causation, just because fascism has thrived were discontent has breed doesn't mean discontent caused it.

I have no position on the matter - I don't care what the cause is, nor do I have the time or inclination to research. However I don't like the way that a large part of the west is moving to the extreme right.

My comment you quoted was trying to suggest finding a single example of a country that was not discontent that embraced fascism logically proves you correct.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Saw this comment on YT:

"Top 3 reasons to move to Mexico instead of Canada: 1) Its not as cold 2) We have tacos 3) There will be a wall separating you from Trump"

[Corky34]

I have no position on the matter - I don't care what the cause is, nor do I have the time or inclination to research. However I don't like the way that a large part of the west is moving to the extreme right.

I understand what you're saying, and it sounds like I've done an awful job of explaining my opinion, however i feel it's important people understand how fascism and the extreme right gain support, that it's not discontent per se that creates their popular support, it's demagogues like Trump and Farage (IMO) who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational arguments, again it's just my opinion but to me it seems that's what we've been seeing across the west, and it's rather depresing that so many people seem to be buying into it.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I understand what you're saying, and it sounds like I've done an awful job of explaining my opinion, however i feel it's important people understand how fascism and the extreme right gain support, that it's not discontent per se that creates their popular support, it's demagogues like Trump and Farage (IMO) who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational arguments, again it's just my opinion but to me it seems that's what we've been seeing across the west, and it's rather depresing that so many people seem to be buying into it.

Because even though more and more information is available we live in a world of sound bites and one liners,and most of the media is now owned by business people who see profit in division not unity. They don't want the common person to be united,as it is probably less profitable for them.