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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    tell you what I need a straw for......

    a proper straw that doesn't cave in.....

    Thick Shakes.... there is NO POINT in having the weak link in all that vacuum.... being the straw. The whole idea of a thick shake and a strong platstic straw is that the soft pallet in your mouth caves in and the ice cold shake hits it and you get brain freeze.

    if the STRAW caves in... then what?

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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    The whole point of a McDonalds straw is chewing up the paper sleeve and using it as a blowpipe to splatter your mates in the face!
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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    Doesn't everyone have one of these yet?

    https://www.fortnumandmason.com/prod...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

    We need Hexus branded silver straws please

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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    If we merely stop giving out straws when they aren't needed, we could well reduce straws by .... who knows, 50%? .... at a single move. And however we view it, reducing how much we use unnecessarily is always going to be better than recycling what we use but didn't need in the first place. I don't need a straw to drink a coke .... unless sitting in a moving car, and even then, there are other options.
    Couple things comes to mind:

    1. Do they actually hand out straws? It has been a long time since I have been to a MacDonald, but I vaguely remember that straws, like tissues, were self-service anyway. Though the cups (with cover) are by design made with straws in mind, one could always take the cover off and do without the straws.

    2. The straws are, individually wrapped in paper (making them perfect for blowdart use), meaning that one could always return them, leave them on the table (though admitedly the person cleaning may well dump it instead of returning it).

    3. Better yet, one may also just tell the staff that straws aren't needed. I do that with plastic bags in Japan where many places still use them overgenerously, and if I went to a place where thet frequently give out straws, I would probably ask them to keep it.

    Now I suspect that you would save more by having people ask for it rather than tell you that they don't need it. But I think that anyone conscious about the environment would probably remember if they frequently go to a place that hand out straws.

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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    Can't disagree with that. I have been handed straws in McD's ( or rather, just had them put on the tray) but it was a long time ago as I haven't eaten there in ages. But McD's aren't the only one. On the last para, I think I said having them "on request", so we're certainly on the same page there.

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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Doesn't everyone have one of these yet?
    Silver?
    Pfft..... They sell titanium ones in the EDC shops, now. £45, for some of them!!
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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Doesn't everyone have one of these yet?

    https://www.fortnumandmason.com/prod...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

    We need Hexus branded silver straws please
    Oh yes... with blue lettering and a transparent X, so when you drink orange Fanta, it shows through and you can impress your lady friend.

    Optional RGB sold separately.

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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    To be fair, my kid has a metal straw with a washable rubber end on it. Easy peasy, when you've got a bag. Not so useful when you're just out and about.

    I would though be interested to know how many fast-food patrons need a non-spill drink (e.g. those supplied with straws) and weren't also carrying a bag or something; vs those who could arguably forgo the straw and stand/sit still for a few minutes.

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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    I think that the last time I used a straw was as light weight ducting for a 27Mhz radio control aerial back around 1980.

    We live miles from a McDonalds and still have our country lanes decorated with their empties and I doubt much of it is bio-degradable.

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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    I just get water now from fast food restaurants, its portable for driving, or walking about in pocket etc.., the healthiest drink in the establishment, and stops you from going large because they only ever do one size bottles. So I'm over it with the straws, oh and the bottle is 100% recyclable, though I wish with use once water bottles it was 100% biodegradeable so that it would be able to feed the worms and such

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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    I remember reading that people complaining about Starbucks and Costa for making the coffee in a single use cup before transferring it to the reusable cup which one makes it pointless.

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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    I wonder how easy is is it to clean those silver / plat straws properly. Since they are meant to last, you don't want residue to building over time in it.

    I would though be interested to know how many fast-food patrons need a non-spill drink (e.g. those supplied with straws) and weren't also carrying a bag or something; vs those who could arguably forgo the straw and stand/sit still for a few minutes.
    In a busy fast food chain, I wouldn't be surprised if there are drinks that get knocked down on the trays while carrying the tray to the table and the spill free design probablt help minimise the amount of spoilt orders. It would be a fraction of all orders, but I guess something that allows them not to worry about it.

    While we are on the subject of the impact of aoft drinks on the environment though, 500ml bottles vs 330ml can. Which one is actually better?

    (And, slightly off topic, but do people here think drinks taste different out of a can vs a bottle?)

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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    Quote Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
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    (And, slightly off topic, but do people here think drinks taste different out of a can vs a bottle?)
    Some, certainly, but I find that metallic aftertaste a lot less noticable if you decant a can into a glass and drink it from that. Not that I drink cabs of anything very much these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    Some, certainly, but I find that metallic aftertaste a lot less noticable if you decant a can into a glass and drink it from that. Not that I drink cabs of anything very much these days.
    Reason I am asking is because I am managing a restaurant in a certain developing country, and found out that I could source 500ml bottles for the same price as 330ml cans (in the UK, I seem to remember that cans were 50-60p and bottles around £1 years ago). I thought great, more value for our customers. One of the staff objected claiming that cans taste better. I thought that couldn't be, the content should be the same, and we pour the drink into a glass. Another staff cautioned me that in this country bottles are associated with the working class, and our middle/upper class clients would much prefer cans to bottles.

    And after a trial, it seems that they were right. Despite being priced the same, the bottles wasn't shifting very quickly. In the hotel section of the business, we have a fridge which is self-service, and even there it seems that cans were being sold at a noticeably faster rate.

    Curious, I Googled, and it does seem that a lot of people do believe there is a difference, generally with the opinion that glass bottle > cans > plastic bottles. There seem to be a belief that plastic bottles lose their fizziness the quickest, especially when exposed in warmer place (and I am in a hot country).

    My staff are sure that they would beat a blind test even poured in a glass, and as much as I would like to entertain them with a test on a slow day, it's ultimately what the customer prefers that count. And if they believe that cans > bottles, then that is what we'll sell.

    Where does this tie back to the this thread? Well, I also noticed that we do put a straw in every glass. Even prior this thread, I was thinking whether we should just stop doing that, primarily due to the environmental awareness campaign going around, and it would be one less, however minor expense. But now, I am thinking that there might well be a reason why we do things the way we do. Perhaps what looks wimpy in your eye is actually "posh" over here. I is the type of thing I never really think of until now. Most of the time I use a straw in the past few years had been for bubble tea, and smoothies sold outdoor (my own smoothies are perfectly fine out of a glass).

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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    I find there is a very definite "can" taste for cider, but not noticeable for Coca Cola varieties.

    The local cider drinkers (probably teenagers) definitely prefer bottles. I've collected over 60 from the lanes adjoining our fields. I usually manage to collect them before they are smashed... a down side of glass.

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    Re: Eco-pointless marketing

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen999 View Post
    Just read a BBC story claiming that McDonalds replaced their recycleable plastic straws last year, to some fanfare, with 'environmentally friendly' paper ones that aren't recycleable.
    I too read this with a smirk, but, and this is the kicker, they ARE recyclable but only if you have the right facilities to recycle them.

    From the BBC article they say
    But the US fast food giant says the new paper straws are not yet easy to recycle and should be put into general waste.

    McDonald's says the materials are recyclable, but their thickness makes it difficult for them to be processed.
    Which, whilst being technically correct (the best kind of correct), is a misleading claim, or lie in layman's terms.

    Quote Originally Posted by TooNice View Post
    Couple things comes to mind:

    1. Do they actually hand out straws? It has been a long time since I have been to a MacDonald, but I vaguely remember that straws, like tissues, were self-service anyway. Though the cups (with cover) are by design made with straws in mind, one could always take the cover off and do without the straws.
    Yes. Annoyingly. Before the plastic straws were withdrawn, you could take your own until a few months before they introduced the paper straws. From that point on, they would hand you straws, or put them on your tray if you ate in, and you have to actively refuse them.

    Why they can't put the paper straws out for me to take if I want, I don't know.

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