Labour anti semitism scandal revealed to be lies?

[DK2019]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7782581.html

With the sabatge and bs going on in 2017 labour was only 2,227 votes away from being pm.

[kalniel]

It is a shame how openly faction-based the Labour party had become. We need a strong opposition to keep checks on the govt of the day. Keir's apology seems to set him on the right foot regarding anti-semitism but we'll have see if other members of the party unite behind him or carry on shooting themselves in the foot with the in-fighting.

[spacein_vader]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7782581.html

With the sabatge and bs going on in 2017 labour was only 2,227 votes away from being pm.

Exactly. He was a minimum of 2,227 votes away from even being able to discuss forming a coalition government with a tiny majority despite facing the weakest PM we've had in decades who'd just told her own supporters she was thinking of cutting their pensions.

Either he is a weaker leader than May & Johnson, he has policies that appeal to the public less than Mays or Johnsons or some combination of the two.

[Galant]

Who did you vote for? Do you believe the tories have less racism or bigotry? It's important to recognise the level of maliciousness we've see from the tories from all the scandals they're been involved with and the lack of change after them.

Don't see how my vote, or the Tory party, are relevant to this discussion. Your opening post, to which I was replying, asserted that anti-Semitism accusations in the Labour party were made up. I was merely pointing out that the article you provided doesn't say that. It does state, I offered, that Labour have massive problems with in-fighting. So that's two potentially massive issues Labour have, not just one.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It is a shame how openly faction-based the Labour party had become. We need a strong opposition to keep checks on the govt of the day. Keir's apology seems to set him on the right foot regarding anti-semitism but we'll have see if other members of the party unite behind him or carry on shooting themselves in the foot with the in-fighting.

Bunch of numbnuts the whole lot of them. The Tories had lots of problems,and accusations of racism too,but they managed to sail though it much better than Labour did. They also voted as one party on important things. Labour OTH was full of petty morons,who were cutting off their nose to spite their face,even saying people should vote for the Tories and not their own party,and with so many people like Rupert Murdoch being mates of the Tories,they made hay while the sun shone.

Its no wonder people voted for the Tories,when Labour was doing a worse job of staying together,ie,the Tories looked the more stable of the two and that is despite the problems in the Conservative party. If Labour had been united,they really did have a good chance in the 2017 elections to win. Labour couldn't even stay united as an opposition party with May in charge of the Conservative party FFS! How could people see them forming a functional government? They handed the 2019 election over to the other lot on a silver platter.

[Ttaskmaster]

There was horrific abuse of people on the left of the party.

So it turns out the right wingers of the party concocted the whole thing to undermine corbyn

Centrists/ right wingers of the party sabotaged corbyn

Many people in this forum seem to have a clear right wing bias.

Who did you vote for?

Something vexes thee?

Seriously though, look... the party you voted for lost the election. It's over. Deal with it. Find a way to move forward.
Moaning about it here and seeking forum members to blame/attack isn't going to achieve anything, beyond very unfavourable responses from the membership.

[ik9000]

LOL I didn't vote Tory. I didn't vote for Cpt Shambles and nor did I vote for Comrade Mumbles either. Anyone could see what he was - and the forum rules prevent me from saying what I really think on that in the way I might like to. There is no way IMO that the populace at large would have voted for him and that abomination of a hard-left socialist zealots into power. It's not that some of his policies weren't desirable. It's the economic ruin they would have required to implement, as well as the baggage of useless and ill-conceived policies that would have accompanied them. Instead people at large voted for the folly that is the tory party who as we're already witnessing are not exactly a good outcome either. (And remember this omni-shambles is the same who will negotiate brexit packages and trade agreements on our behalf. They can't even negotiate to buy PPE and ventilators properly...) . No I saw the election for what it was - a useless choice between awful options, and voted for something entirely different, even though there was no way they would get in in my area thanks to the first-past-the-post system we are stuck with.

Corbyn alienated some, sat on the fence too often and never, ever, seemed to commit to anything. He was the most hand-wringing, cringe-worthy, wet-flannel of an opposition leader I can recall. The whole point of opposition is to lambast the government when they're producing manure at the despatch box - and he couldn't/wouldn't. It was the most useless ineffective display at a time of national (geopolitical) crisis. And then he demonstrated his complete lack of tactical nous by agreeing to the election in the first place. An election he would never win and he agreed to it? Why? Even a basic reading of Mao Tse Tung and he would know you press an advantage, not surrender it. He had Boris by the plums and could pretty effectively have vetoed anything he didn't like. It is likely a better opposition leader could have forced a people's vote given the same hand to play at end October/start Nov 2019. No Tory majority, and a Tory inability to press an election without some very spurious shenanigans which would have been a political minefield and the press would have had a field day with it, a compliant EU willing to offer extensions irrespective of what noise Macron spouted out. No, Corbyn was useless and good riddance to him. One debate and press conference watching Kier Starmer and irrespective of personal opinion of his politics etc he is a substantially better leader -or more confidence-inspriring and more viable option than Jezza ever was.

[TeePee]

Something vexes thee?

Seriously though, look... the party you voted for lost the election. It's over. Deal with it. Find a way to move forward.
Moaning about it here and seeking forum members to blame/attack isn't going to achieve anything, beyond very unfavourable responses from the membership.

Ask if he has an opinion on the town of Reading...

[ik9000]

Ask if he has an opinion on the town of Reading...

I don't get it?

[TeePee]

I don't get it?

Ttaskmaster had a lengthy argument with a couple of people last year that featured a debate on the delights of the Reading area. They stormed off in a huff, but one has returned under a new name.

[pp05]

It was always weird everytime the govt had a day of bad headlines some Labour mp would stick their head up and talk about anti-semitism. It was a hatchet job on him.

[g8ina]

well done, you did it again. Closed, enough politics !