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So it turns out the right wingers of the party concocted the whole thing to undermine corbyn and the left of the party.
I feel like all the people involved should be ejected from labour.
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-an...ssion-11972071
So it turns out the right wingers of the party concocted the whole thing to undermine corbyn and the left of the party.
I feel like all the people involved should be ejected from labour.
Alternatively: Labour leaders tried to stop Momentum takeover of party.Originally Posted by DK2019
Obviously the truth is somewhere between the two.
There was massive spike in members because of corbyn. Labour would be in power if it wasn't for the centrists of the party.
There was horrific abuse of people on the left of the party. It's a shame the full report isn't available to everyone but these bits are truly awful.
Labour would be in power if it wasn't for the electorate. It rejected Corbynism. Comprehensively. Hopefully for the first time in years the government will now be faced with a credible alternative south of Gretna.
Yeah really not convinced at all Labour would have been in power. When Corbyn first got in, although there might have been a spike in Labour members. The idea that he would have had wide spread appeal to win an election is somewhat laughable.
Labour have only got into power once in the last 40 years, a few election wins by a center leaning party under Blair/Brown.
The idea that a more left leaning party has a chance in the UK, especially now with the loss of the Scotish MPs and vote is far from reality.
If labour are to gain enough support from the wider electorate, they can only do that with a more centrist party.
BTW, not gonna debate this. Just an opinion. ...
Just my opinion, but I think the notion that Labour would be in power but for Labour "centrists" is ...... fanciful.
Still, the longer the left believe that, the longer Labour are stuffed.
Starmer must be holding his head and looking for a brick wall at that notion.
My 2p.
A lesson learned from PeterB about dignity in adversity, so Peter, In Memorium, "Onwards and Upwards".
I don't think it's much of a surprise that investigations into antisemitism within the Labour party were hampered by infighting and ineptitude...
If Wisdom is the coordination of "knowledge and experience" and its deliberate use to improve well being then how come "Ignorance is bliss"
There was a massive spike in members because the membership was dropped to £3 by Ed Milliband. That pulled in a bunch of fringe members and if rumours are to be believed a bunch of Tories and people who wanted to elect an unelectable leader for a laugh.
If you really think it's the centrists who have made labour unelectable. Why didn't Long-Bailey win the leadership election? The fact is that continuity Corbyn was unpalatable to the party as a whole never mind the electorate.
Many people in this forum seem to have a clear right wing bias. Well over 10 million voted labour in the last election that was despite the smears and establishment media pulling their crap.
Erm... no? At best it suggests that Labour themselves have no clue how deep the problem runs because the party was so divided that for the most part all they cared about was in-fighting instead of the resolution of any issues such as antisemitism.
It's hard to know what's worse here. Any antisemitism that is present within Labour or the horrifically incompetent state of the party itself.
Here's your key quote from the article you posted (bold highlights added by me):
"Following what the report describes as a "systematic review" of all complaints received between November 2016 to February 2018, it claims investigations were initiated into only 34 of the more than 300 complaints received in relation to antisemitism.
"At least half of these warranted action, many of them in relation to very extreme forms of antisemitism, but were ignored. Almost all of these complaints were forwarded from one inbox to another, and many of them were identified as Labour members and sent to the Head of Disputes, Sam Matthews, for action", the report claims.
In a statement to Sky News responding to the leaked report, Sam Matthews said: "This latest episode comes as no surprise to me, as an effort by a disgruntled faction who are floundering in their attempts to blame others in order to distract from matters that will be investigated by the EHRC and the Courts."
I'm so very, very thankful that that shambles of a party are not in control of the country. And for the record, I am no Tory party member. I consider my vote each and every election and always have reservations either way. It seemed clear to me this time, and continues to seem clear, that the Labour party, as currently constructed, is not suitable for government at all. And I have genuine suspicions that something within their mindset along the lines of identity politics is a source of their current in-fighting. If they don't review everything clearly and change I'm not sure they'll ever be capable of anything. That's not to say that other parties aren't capable of the same, nor that the public won't become so fractured itself that a horribly broken party like Labour won't get in. Simply that the future of Labour, and any potential Labour government, isn't good.
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Who did you vote for? Do you believe the tories have less racism or bigotry? It's important to recognise the level of maliciousness we've see from the tories from all the scandals they're been involved with and the lack of change after them.
If you believe both parties have an issue with racism. Which, they do. Then it kinda cancels each other out. It takes it out of consideration for many. Most people would have ended up voting based on other issues with the issues around racism taking a back seat.
Just for reference, i'd consider myself a floating voter.
What about the Russia report, what's happened there...
While there are many valid criticisms of the Tories, isn't this a thread about internal fighting in Labour? I can't see how that is the tories fault.
FWIW I voted Labour in 2005, I agreed with Nick in 2010 & 2015 and voted Green last year. I'm also not one to say I'd never vote Tory as I would if I thought they were the best option at a given election.
Corbyn lost general elections against relatively poor opponents in May & Johnson. At least when Kinnock got comprehensively beaten he was up against a political heavyweight with Thatcher.
For the record, that's not an endorsement of Thatcher but like Blair regardless of what you think of them it's hard to deny they were the preeminent politicians of their era.
Its not the same when one party tries to address the little racism they have and get lambasted for it while the tory party is overtly racist and bigoted and gets no criticism for it. They kicked out the windrush generation and weren't labelled racist. They've had many cases of Islamophobia and let councillors back in after removing them and boris doubles down on freedom of speech when asked about his burka comments...Lets not forget his book the 72 virgins which was horrific and full of anti semitic tropes. There was also the backing of the very anti semitic viktor orban which wasn't criticised. The hypocrisy when talking about this stuff is astounding.
Centrists/ right wingers of the party sabotaged corbyn who was legit trying to deal with the complaints. The report vindicates the progressives of the party who were smeared for years.
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