Paxman on Newsnight a few minutes ago, talking to some bloke about the issue that big, fat wobbly people should be refused treatment they need because they are big, fat and wobbly...
"So, are you suggesting that those people who keep themselves fit and keep themselves trim should have to pay for those who can't be arsed'
Thats word for word what he said.
Paxman > All.
Paxman for teh win! Silly arguement really, you can work it so no one gets treatment. For example, all you healthy people who are cursed with the exercise bug should be refused joint replacements when your knees etc go because the osteoarthritis is your fault because of joint over use. Anyway, as a fat wobbly type, I had better save up for private health care.
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Paxman > Big fat wobbly blobs.
I don't think its a bad idea; the idea is if you do nothing more than sit on your blobby arse, eating blobby cheese burgers, then when your blobby body explodes, you can't expect non-blobs to have to pay to stitch you back together again, blob segement by blob segment.
Fair enough, its a slightly blobist policy, but why not crack down on blob culture in the same way the government is cracking down on yob culture?
Slap an ASBO on their massive blob bums, banning them from McDonalds and Burger King. Things like that.
Not only would the NHS save a load of cash, but there would be less sweaty people around. That has to be a good thing.
I think you're overlooking the benefits from not having to see copious amounts of flab rolling over the top of the skirts of the young women who insist on showing their belly in the summer.
Surprisingly I neither sweat too much (often) or eat fast food. I just love food and booze that is good..... Mmm food.... I am off to the The Waterside Inn next weekend. I am personally hoping that they don't skimp on the fois gras. I may say no to the wafer thin mint though.....
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Wanders off to fetch bucket....
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I don't like the idea that much, the system could end up causing many people to go without treatment who really should get it. It happens already with things like cancer drugs. Sure some people are lazy, but some have reasons for being overweight, such as depression and other causes. Also, i heard on radio 4 that the proposed system would exclude anyone with a BMI of greater than 30. Someone pointed out that you could be very fit and still have a BMI > 30 and that 25% of people in the UK are over 30. But i agree people should be made to take more responsibility for their own heath. There sure are some wasters in this country who do fook all but eat McDonalds and live off the state. They should be at the back of the que for sure.
But yeah, paxman is the king when it comes to interview's.
I just like it that he said cant be arsed live on News Night.
I dont see how you could refuse treatment to someone who needed it, unless it was like the 19th time they needed something doing and the cause was only over-eating and no working out.
by that reserve I think we shoudl refuse treatment to anyone who does DIY and plays sunday football.
Why should my hard earned tax go toward people who are too stupid to use common sence in health and safety ar have some quasi-macho need to emulate a sliding tackle and break their leg.
just think , Casualty woudl be like a ghost town on a sunday if you told all the DIY'ers and footballers to sling their hook.
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Should we stop NHS treatment for smokers? For alcoholics? For drug addicts? For criminals? For teenage mums?
Who decides?
Anyway, Paxman for Prime Minister. He'll sort this country out.
on the BMI status thats correct, I know several very athletic fit and not in anyway unhealthy men of around 100kg. they're rowers. but if you look at a bmi chart you'll see they are classed as clinically obese, if you ditch the chart and just look at them you'll see that they're as near to obese as I am to speaking russian (beyond 'vodka'). BMI is a waste of space drawn up ages ago by some german doctor which for some banal reason is still used to grade people's health today...he took measurements from several hundred people over 50yrs ago (think end of war when there wasn't much food around anyway...) added them up a bit, took them away a bit too and came up with a chart of sorts. There were no modern athletes taken into account. surely its not beyond the nurses/doctors to see that athletes should not be governed by some crappy chart when they clearly do not fit the norm. Its also quite easy to spot, for me at least, those that are obese/overweight - so for a [I'd very much hope] well trained doctor the task should be a simple one.Originally Posted by dangerous_dom
having doctors to conform to a chart is one more of these things the government has introduced to try to cover their backs in saying 'we're doing what we can'...utter crap. its too little too late, much like their pathetic anti-smoking policy; its not coming into effect for at least 2 years and even then it still allows you to smoke in a pub!! ireland has it and its a complete ban, this government is so chicken sh*t of making people upset its just so pathetic, it folds at the slighest critesizm...
alternatively its a sure case for a new energy resource...if you don't know what I mean go burn a peanut and see how long it lasts. what do you think is burning? obese people = lots of fat. fat = oil. oil = £££...and the government hasn't cottoned on yet
it would solve the US's problems in one deft swoop too! think of that!
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Employer-provided private healthcare FTW
Its much simpler than that. Put the proposed health tax on particularily dodgy foods. Just like they do on ciggies. Also put it on:
All sports wear.
All booze
All DIY type stuff supplied to the public.
Anything whatsoever old people buy (they do after all take more than their fair share of hospital beds)
In fact they could remove the other taxes from booze completely and have a hospital tax and a policing tax on it!
They could have an unpleasant farts tax on curries and other assorted foods aswell!
Hmmm I think i'm on to a winner here!
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As a fat blobby type, soon as I don't get treatment on the NHS because of being a fat blobby type, I'll stop paying my share of NI/tax that goes toward funding that system and put it into private health insurance...
On a more serious not, refusing treatment based on 'fatness' is only the thin end of the wedge that results in treatment being refused because you do X which caused Y (which is what you're looking for treatment for. Ultimately, you won't be treated for being in a car crash accident (even if you were actually just stood on the pavement at the time) because you own a car and have a licence to drive it, or something equally stupid. Either the system provides treatment for all those who put into it, or it doesn't and you may as well force everyone down the private health insurance route at that point.
Yep and he's called John Prescott, LOL
But on a more serious note, I believe obiese people should be given free membership to the gym of their choice ONLY if its the only way they can lose weight and their life is in grave danger if they didn't...
According to a website I viewed, my height to weight ratio is "desireable" how flattered I am, but thats no excuse for me to go nuts and eat loads of cheeseburgers and junkfood. (I'm 6" 1 and weigh 11.5 stone)
Its been about eight years or so since I last ate at a Mc Donalds or the like...I only occasionally buy a pizza from the Hut and occasionally being once every six months or so, I rarely drink alcohol in any significant quantity that would cause a beer belly to form..
In fact, my GP identified this low intake of fats that he said "I see you do lots of exercise, and indulge very little, very good"...
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