British Core Values?

[BEANFro Elite]

I heard this on the radio this morning and it made me laugh.

In escence this is a very good idea but what made me laugh was how they want to go about it, they think they can teach it in secondary schools.

I'd have thought that it'd have been better and more effective if they started earlier and they actually "teach" it in a more practical way for example, manners, social responsibilty, and respect for your friends and elders should be "lived" so I'm saying they should be taught how to talk to their friends and the elders appropriately etc.

The other problem is that I'm sure we all have a slightly different idea of what "British Core Values" are or should be, so I'm not going to define what I mean by the following.

The other all too predictable problem is that there is a strong possibilty that some of the core values will offend religious people.

Like if I said they were:

Manners
Etiquette
Social Responsibilty
Strong Work Ethic

I'm sure everyone has a different idea of the core values, maybe your idea will differ not wildly but perhaps I've missed something or maybe some things are not relevant to today's society.

Either way, I think it's too little too late.

[Nox]

Its down to the parenting, or lack of it.

Nox

[BEANFro Elite]

Perhaps, parental responsibilty could be an official core value?

[Nox]

It should be the responsibility of every parent, but seems to be lacking more and more these days with parents seeming to rely on schools to bring up their kids for them.

And then they reduce teachers rights more and more.

Sorry, wife is a teacher, I hear a lot of stories. She got told to 'f off' the other day, kid was put in detention. For that they could request him to be relocated to another school, but then they would get a replacement kid from the 'relocation pool' who could be even worse... Good friend of ours at the same school got punched by a kid, on the arm - similar thing, they don't want a worse kid.

When I was in primary school something like that would not even cross the mind of the worst behaved kids, else they would be in for the cane. I don't really agree with that as a solution, but then what would work with a kid?

sorry allready drifting off topic.

Nox

[Theo]

Sorry, wife is a teacher, I hear a lot of stories. She got told to 'f off' the other day, kid was put in detention. For that they could request him to be relocated to another school, but then they would get a replacement kid from the 'relocation pool' who could be even worse... Good friend of ours at the same school got punched by a kid, on the arm - similar thing, they don't want a worse kid.

Yep, my mother works at the my old high school, so I always hear horror stories of what the kids are like nowadays. She's been told to "F off" (add the missing letters), a pregnant teacher was actually physically pushed, general disobedience and bad behaviour that has NO place in a school.

I left that school 6 years ago, and even then, noone - not even the really naughty kids dared to misbehave in such a way. Even with the bad bad kids, there was at least some ounce of respect between pupil and teacher. TBH, I think the worst things some kids did were smoking behind the sports hall and mass truancy.

[iranu]

It's great isn't it? We have a government that has done more than any other to promote individuals rights without responsibility. A government that has championed the one parent family rather than marriage and the stable family. A government that goes against all the normal values that people believe in when you talk about a coherent, law abiding society.

Then when it all goes belly up they do things like proposing to march yobs to cash machines for instant fines or issuing asbo's and now finally the creme de la creme of classic socialist thinking; the teaching of British core values as a progrom for children. Kinda stinks of the sort of policies that Mao, Stalin and Hitler expoused. i.e. the state telling you who you are and what you are and how you should behave along with a good healthy dose of political and social indoctrination thrown in for good measure. I'm sure that when it fails they will blame the teachers who have to put up with this kind of crap.

Parenting - the only profession that requires zero qualifications and zero experience.

[Byatt]

British Core Values? Sod that, let's go to the pub.

[herulach]

British Core Values? Sod that, let's go to the pub.

surely that is a core british value in itself?

TBH, what are you gonna teach? theres no substitute for good parenting, and theres not really a lot you can do about bad parenting, short of someone castrating people, but then who decides?

[RVF500]

Basically the "Blair reforms" have failed miserably and the govt are trying to make a U-turn not look like a U-turn. Trying to promote a new initiative where in fact they are fire fighting. Grasping at straws to cling on to power. Health, immigration, public transport, education and policing are just a joke. Quite frankly the present govt a poor joke and the sooner the majority wake up and vote them out on their ear the better.

[atrull]

drinking too much and being perfidious ?

[JPreston]

...We have a ... government that has championed the one parent family rather than marriage and the stable family...

So, in what ways exactly does it do that?

[Mama Sumae]

well i am just a university student in uk, still have my home address in Portugal but i am living near Cardiff during the last 3 years. (Any idea where i should do my masters? )

i remember when i first arrived a bunch of 12year old kids tried to mug me and some friends. I laughed, obviously in the beginning i didn’t know nothing bout the chav culture.
Although in Portugal we have criminality most of it is still related with drugs, plain greed or emigrants that didn’t properly adapt to our society.

Criminality and violence as culture really confuses me, I feel it is down to parents to teach kids and not a strange person or TV , the most responsible for what your kids do is yourself and not the game company that did postal . So if some content is not good for your kids that is your responsibility to check.

It is true that some things can be extremely irresponsible and hypocrite, example u cant say sht on tv but there is no problem to have porn magazines in the local shop news stand. U cant buy alcohol before 21 but I got pissed almost everywhere (thanks god for that ) what is the legal age to join the army? U can use a gun but a beer is too dangerous for u ?!


sorry for the english i tried to do my best so i dont have to listen DAM EMIGRANT

[herulach]

you know you can buy beer at 18? youve been missing out mate, go get lashed now

[RVF500]

At least you've made the effort to learn and to try and communicate. Anyone who diminishes that effort isn't worth talking to anyway

I've made more friends while working overseas by struggling through the local language than just about any other way. So don't apologise for your English. It's better than my Portuguese.

[Mama Sumae]

U can buy beer before 18? i just saw a sign in my local somerfield saying they don’t sell alcohol bellow 21, well anyway i am 21 now so i already have no excuses not to get pissed .


lol back home when I was 9 I remember buying 7 litters of wine for my father party it was a single bottle(container) bigger than me, dam I miss those innocent days nine years old with 7 litters of wine!!! that could have been great fun…

[herulach]

U can buy beer before 18? i just saw a sign in my local somerfield saying they don’t sell alcohol bellow 21, well anyway i am 21 now so i already have no excuses not to get pissed .


lol back home when I was 9 I remember buying 7 litters of wine for my father party it was a single bottle(container) bigger than me, dam I miss those innocent days nine years old with 7 litters of wine!!! that could have been great fun…

Ah no, the signs say if you look under 21 they will ask for ID, our local one has them. You can buy it at 18.