How much do you figure my Camera is worth?

[bsodmike]

Hi guys,

I'm sortof toying with the idea of selling off my camera as follows,

Body: Canon EOS 20D, just took over 2000 shots 2 weeks ago *mint* condish
Lens: Canon 24-70 USM L Lens (Worth £1000 easily) + Hoya HMC UV Filter
Case: Lowepro 70AW top-loader
CF: Sandisk Extreme III 2GB
Battery: Spare battery, 1600mAh iirc.

Please let me know what you think this kit is worth and if anyone here would be interested. Based on responses I may list this in FS

Actually got a shot of the camera here (sorry about the cheesy pic!)



...and here's an example shot with this glass,

[Howard]

Camera - Probably about £5-600

Lens probably £700 odd.

Bag - £40-£50.

Shouldn't be too difficult to sell that lot off

[BUFF]

Camera - Probably about £5-600

doubt it will fetch that with the 30D ~£740 new & the 40D rumoured to be imminent.
Camera shops are selling 2nd hand EOS 20Ds for £500 with a warranty.
24-70 USM L is £729 s/h with a warranty in shops .

[BlindMelon7]

Hmmmm, I've been meaning to get a digital since my powershot got killed. Its probably worth about a tenner . No? maybe £450.

[bsodmike]

Thanks for your replies guys. Shocking to think it wasn't so long ago that I spent over two grand on this kit (Easter '05).

Also my location puts me at a disadvantage as I would want to ship something of this value via DHL, which means that the cost of shipping/insurance could be quite high, further eating into anything I get back. Guess I'll be hanging onto it for a while then

[Fabula]

L series lens' don't drop in value much. You should get maybe £750 for it, with the filter.
The electronics drops more quickly. Probably £450 for the 20D.

[Butcher]

If I had the cash I'd take the lens off your hands.

[kempez]

Guess I'll be hanging onto it for a while then

You want to mate - jealous man right here

Very nice camera that...if only I had £450

[bsodmike]

It makes sense that bodies depreciate more than lenses, but this body has been inside the bag all the time, as in I never leave it lying about on tables etc, and since I got the 'L' lens I've not taken it off, thereby exposing the CMOS to 'more dust'.

...keeping it makes the best sense, as I was just *thinking* of parting with it, but am in no hurry for moolah.

[bsodmike]

Last week I placed an order for the 580EX flash, at the local Canon agents and they loaned me a 220EX till it gets here in about a month!

Just in time too, cause most of my shots this Christmas will probably be indoors. Anyone else got the 550/580EX?

[Saracen]

L series lens' don't drop in value much. You should get maybe £750 for it, with the filter.

To be honest, I rather doubt it. I can get one brand new with a warranty, from a camera shop a mile from my front door, for £880. I don't know about anybody else, but I'd expect it to be markedly more different than that from a brand new one to induce me to buy second hand.

I've been looking at getting a 24-70, but seeing as I'm VAT registered and it's a business purchase, I'll save £100 off the £880, leaving me with a net cost of £780. Personally, I'd expect to pay around half, maybe 60% tops, of what I can get a brand new, warrantied item from a local shop for, given that I have both support from the shop and far greater consumer protection if I hit problems. Given that, I wouldn't go above about £450 for the lens second-hand, and that's for one that was local to me so I could inspect it and check it's performance and functionality before parting with the money.

Obviously, not everyone is VAT registered and in a position to offset the tax, but even so, I'd have thought £750 very optimistic for a lens available for £880 in the high street. I haven't even checked online supplier's prices.

The £450 for the 20D is probably not far off, but again, a 30D is in the shops for £750 and Canon are currently doing £100 cashback, bring it down to £650. So when offering a 20D at £450, you're up against people comparing it with the 10MP of the 400D at £450-ish, or a 30D at £650 NEW ..... and the 'rumours' of an impending 40D.

Personally, if I was going to sell a 20D, I'd be wanting to do it now, because when the 40D arrives, the 30D is likely to drop more, and that'll only depress the 20D even further.

Sorry if that's bad news, bsodmike.

[bsodmike]

Saracen, no worries.

"...keeping it makes the best sense, as I was just *thinking* of parting with it, but am in no hurry for moolah."

I'm sticking to this, and gonna let this body age - I've only *cough* taken under 3k shots *cough* and these bodies are good to around 100k. As for your comments, thanks - they do paint an honest picture of what 'could' be expected, and I know exactly what you mean about people waving '10MP' around.

Photography is a hobby for me, it's no way a livelihood but if I do pick up another body, and it would *have* to be something like a 5D, the 20D would always make a decent backup/body to have another lens mounted on, maybe a prime for example.

[Funkstar]

If you were to sell it, what would you be replacing it with? and why?

Do you actually *need* to be doing that? from the sounds of it you don't

Whenever i go into any camera shops i always go oooooh! at the lovely shiney 30Ds, 5Ds and even the new 400D. But i barely make enough use of my 350D so there is no way on earth i could justify shelling out for another body or trading up.

[Saracen]

There is a lot of kiddology goes on with pixel specs. To most people, most of the time, 6MP, 8MP or 10MP will make little or no real-world difference. It's getting to be little more than marketing double-speak. And, if we're going to use MP as a gauge of image quality, I'd suggest that of far more relevance are :-

1) lens used
2) the characteristics of the sensor, not the number of pixels
3) the in-camera image processing done on the image.

And there's a downside. As the MP goes up, so does file size and so does write time to memory. So you'll need larger and/or faster memory cards, just to stand still.

I would question whether many people buying a 10MP 400D will actually get anything at all in terms of real-world benefit from the resolution increase. But I'd bet large sums that a lot of 400Ds will be sold because it's 10MP.

Personally, and price-for-price, I'd go for the 20D over the 400D, but that's simply because to me the 20D feels like a real camera and the 400D feels like a lightweight toy. But I'll bet a lot of people just look at the MP figures and reject the 20D (or even the 30D ) for the 10MP.

And that, unfortunately, represents the real-world dilemma of anyone with a 20D, wanting to upgrade.

So my question to you (and you've already answered it) is .... why sell? If you needed the money, then fair enough. But if not, what would you get instead? The 30D is a better camera, sure .... but not (in my view) by enough to justify upgrading from a 20D. 40D? Maybe, but we'll see when it comes out. If Canon just shove a 10MP sensor in it, then (as above) I'd question whether it's much of a real-world improvement, or a marketing ploy.

And if the 40D improves much on the 30D, it'll start to encroach to the territory of the next level of camera, and Canon won't do that until they feel they've about tapped out the potential for sales of 5Ds, at the current price point.

I'm rather expecting the 40D to be another incremental tweak, not a step change in what you get at the sub-£1000 price point. All they'll want to do is fend off Nikon, nor encroach on 5D sales. Or at least, that's how I see it.

So I think your strategy is sound. Use the 20D because, after all, it's a bloody good camera, and about the only thing against it is that it is no longer state of the art at the price point. But it still takes pictures as good as it did when you bought it, after all.

And in a few years time, you'll be able to buy a dSLR for less than a 30D/40D that, technically, will blow the socks clean off anything you'll buy at that price point, or probably even the 5D price point, now.

Chasing model releases is a game for mugs, and rich men with money to burn. Play it smart .... as you've obviously decided to do. The 20D is a VERY impressive and capable camera, still. Don't fall for the marketing hype.

All IMHO, of course.

[Funkstar]

i agree with you completely Saracen. If i was to upgrade my 350D it would be to the next level (the x0D series instead of the x00D). Even then it wouldn't be until i felt i had gotten everything i could out of my current one.

My compact is another matter. I have an aging Sony DSC-P10 that is slow, bad in dark conditions, bulky (ish) and only has a 3x optical. Looking at some of the other new cameras that have a 5x+ optical, specifically the Ricoh R5 with 7x. It will have much better night handling than the P10, sure it's not the best, but it is still a lot better than what i have. and the 7x is a massive step up in usability, especially combined with the OIS. Sure there is an increase to 7MP from 5MP too, but that is inconsequential to me. But then it is a much newer sensor, so hopefully it shouldn't produce any worse pixels.

[Saracen]

I've never used the P10, but I did do a review of the P1. It was a lovely little thing, easy to use, great results .... marred by a flash that was dire. It made the thing next-to-unusable at night. It sounds like the P10 hasn't improved much on that.

My view is that the situation with the P10 is rather different to bsodmike's. It sounds like the low-light capability youhave might well provide eminently good reason for an upgrade, because it won't let you do something you want to do. I certainly couldn't put up with the P1.

I have an Olympus C-5050 as a compact. It's getting long in the tooth, and while I might look at more modern compacts longingly, I honestly can't see what I'd get from one that the 5050 can't do a pretty convincing job of providing. While the 5050 continues to perform, and work, it's doing the job.

I guess what really hurts is that digital cameras are superb examples of where technology moves on at a rapid pace, with quality going up and prices coming down in leaps and bounds and, therefore, early adopters can get badly burned come upgrade time. You look at what you have, look at what it's worth now and ..... gasp

I have an Olympus 20P dSLR. Not a cheap camera, by any means. With the 3x teleconvertor (£700), the support arm (£200), the battery pack (£700) and a few other bits and bobs, it was about £3500. If you want to see a grown man cry, watch me when someone tells me what current market value is now.