Computeach

[Kezzer]

Agent how dare you slander computeach, their adverts clearly show a bin man being retrained in 12 weeks as a computer games programmer earning a minimum or 30k per year with a company car......are you saying this is not what really happens.

FYI: that was sarcasm, stay well clear from these sorts of monkeys

I think that deserves quote of the month, awesome

EDIT: Also yes, computers aren't something you can learn in the space of 12 weeks proficiently. I've been in the computer industry for years and years and even though I have a very good job in the industry it still doesn't mean I'm good at what I do. Perhaps I shouldn't doubt myself so much? Pretty much 100% of my work is high profile stuff but that's just down to high grades mainly I think.

I'd steer well clear of computeach personally because I don't think it's a recognised set of qualifications which would really give you enough to get any other job apart from a secretary. I don't think they can teach programming in such a short time - even graduates aren't experienced enough for programming, and they do it for 3 years straight.

EDIT EDIT: Come to think of it, I most probably got my job because I've got an AVCE in ICT which was a full-time two year course in computers which covered pretty much all areas from programming to hardware maintenance and the foundations of hardware. I also did a course with the Open University in computing and I'm also studying my degree in Computer Science (my job is a placement) which is also probably why. In case you're going to say "you got the job because it's a placement" - there were actually 250 applicants and most of them were much smarter than me in my honest opinion as I knew a lot of them personally.

[ikonia]

I NEVER stated I knew it all, I said the thing's that they want to teach me on this foundation course, I know already. It's general stuff taught in high school, which yeah I don't have a GCSE for but that isn't my fault, I couldn't help it

I did not say you believed you knew everything, I said you suggest you are strong with PC components. Which you did.
You are correct you don't have a foundation qualification in this, if this is the path you seek - you must obtain one.

I never took I.T in school BECAUSE IT WAS NOT AN OPTION - THEY DID NOT GIVE ME AN OPTION

Not that I doubt you, but I find that very hard to understand more so as you are of the age of the computer generation at school, VERy odd to teach it but not allow the exam. Never seen that sort of behaviour before. Easy to say with hindsite, but perhaps further your education in this field rather than going on as a mechanic would have been better. Hindsight is a wonderful gift though.

I was asked if I wanted to take networking, to which I replied yes, THEN ONTO programming, web design... Again, are you skim reading because you seem to be missing bits or just misinterpretating them when they are clear as day.

Nope - I'm just someone who works in the industry and is not moronic enough to think that this is a carer path (thats sarcasm as you obviously can't take critisism). You don't start as PC builder - progress to network admin - then to web design then to the holy grail of programming - you pick a career path, learn and progress in it, and in some situations get certified. So rather than picking some bizzare fantasy promotion path to programming - pick an area and excel in it, and perhaps listen to the few people in the industry trying ot make you aware of reality and suggest accordingly.

Honestly, go and have a coffee before you reply again,

Grow up before posting ill throught through comments to people in the industry trying to offer you real advice and comment based on your situation which looks bad - remember you chose to post and make your situation public and ask for advice. If you can't deal with the facts and harsh truth of your situation without getting offended then I suggest computeach is probably the best path for you..... (again that was sarcasm).

If you want genuine advice on courses/paths to take then offer us some genuine thought through responses on where you want to be and how you want to get there.

[Clstrphbc_donut]

Grow up before posting ill throught through comments to people in the industry trying to offer you real advice and comment based on your situation which looks bad - remember you chose to post and make your situation public and ask for advice. If you can't deal with the facts and harsh truth of your situation without getting offended then I suggest computeach is probably the best path for you..... (again that was sarcasm).

If you want genuine advice on courses/paths to take then offer us some genuine thought through responses on where you want to be and how you want to get there.

If your first post was not so nasty I wouldn't have felt the need to post what I did, it was so obvious from what you posted that you were having a dig at me. I asked for advice and I purely tried to say I don't think the course they want me to take is advanced enough, but you either misinterpretated that or twisted it.

I know I'm not in the best situation hence why I would rather take a quick route to getting I.T related qualifications but I can't, so I'll take the course they make me.

Where I want to be:

Anywhere within I.T, preferably programming, I.T Admin, or Web Designer, I'm not all that keen on becoming a system builder because troubleshooting gets quite annoying after a while.

[mathewdbarlow]

The others may possibly be putting it a bit bluntly but I can understand what they mean. I think the general concensus is go get off your ass and do it and stop blaming your old school etc etc!!

Take everyones advice though and don't go with a company like computeach, they are a complete farce and a surefire route to an expensive failure, at best an expensive piece of paper that any self respecting employer will laugh at.

[yamangman]

You're 21, you're too young to have spent years and years doing anything.

I've been in the computer industry for years and years...

[ikonia]

I mean this very genuinly and not nasty.

I suggest you stay working where you are, your approach to working in IT is poor, VERY poor.

Thats not meant nasty - really, just based on what your writing, you are not meant to work in IT.

Allow me to explain.

If your first post was not so nasty I wouldn't have felt the need to post what I did, it was so obvious from what you posted that you were having a dig at me

No one was having a dig at you - you need to accept the facts, if people don't tell you and skirt around it you'll be there all day.

know I'm not in the best situation hence why I would rather take a quick route to getting I.T related quali

It appears your not interested in learning - just want to get a cert on your CV. the !quick route - for someone with no experience apart from PC building which you say you don't want to do and no qualifications, is not really an option.

Anywhere within I.T, preferably programming, I.T Admin, or Web Designer, I'm not all that keen on becoming a system builder because troubleshooting gets quite annoying after a while.

so you've no idea where you want to be or what you want to be doing - which is why I said sit down and really think about what you want to do as all those things are light years apart - its ironic that the one thing you do have experience in and the one thing you where looking at a qualification in appears to the be the one thing you don't want to do.

As I said in my earlier post,

walk away, sit down and take stock of where you are and where you want to be, then think about ways you want to get there.

Any where in IT is not a position and "the quick route" is not a way to get there.

With the comments I've made above - do you now see why yamanagman suggest you where coming across as childish.

this could be also the reason the college wants to put you on a foundation course as if you have no direction a foundation course maybe in their opinion - the best thing for you.

[iamtheoneneo]

you should get yourself microsoft's recently released XNA platform for developers. one of the simplist to use and uses c# a common programming language - get a few books , look online and get cracking! lol

[Clstrphbc_donut]

I mean this very genuinly and not nasty.

I suggest you stay working where you are, your approach to working in IT is poor, VERY poor.

Thats not meant nasty - really, just based on what your writing, you are not meant to work in IT.

Allow me to explain.



No one was having a dig at you - you need to accept the facts, if people don't tell you and skirt around it you'll be there all day.



It appears your not interested in learning - just want to get a cert on your CV. the !quick route - for someone with no experience apart from PC building which you say you don't want to do and no qualifications, is not really an option.



so you've no idea where you want to be or what you want to be doing - which is why I said sit down and really think about what you want to do as all those things are light years apart - its ironic that the one thing you do have experience in and the one thing you where looking at a qualification in appears to the be the one thing you don't want to do.

As I said in my earlier post,

walk away, sit down and take stock of where you are and where you want to be, then think about ways you want to get there.

Any where in IT is not a position and "the quick route" is not a way to get there.

With the comments I've made above - do you now see why yamanagman suggest you where coming across as childish.

this could be also the reason the college wants to put you on a foundation course as if you have no direction a foundation course maybe in their opinion - the best thing for you.

I really don't understand you, you tell me to tell you sensibly what I want to do, I do so, and you tell me I'm not meant for I.T?

I am interested in learning, but this is a career we are talking about, not what I want to learn. I love learning new things about PC's or anything related. Ok, I'll sit back and do **** all. Thanks for your extremely helpful advice, obviously Hexus isn't the place to ask for this without getting shot down in flames.

[ikonia]

Drop the fact that you think people are having a go at you - re-read the advice I've suggested and what I've asked you to think about and the questions I asked of you - then re-post and I think you'll see the problem.

eg: "what do you want to do in IT"
eg: "anything but PC building"

what direction to you take to achieve "anything"

(just an easy example)

Re-read - drop emotion and re-post.

[Agent]

Plus, IT and Computing and two very different things. I did both at A level, and while they are both based around computers of course, they go in very different directions.

[Nemeliza]

Clstrphbc, try not to take what ikonia says as an attack. Regardless of your oppinions of him, he does know what he is talking about and if you just read the information in his posts without looking for any offence you will see that he has actually been providing useful advice.
If you are truly serious about improving your future career prospects by gaining skills in IT, you will eventually be presented with many possible paths. The sooner you can decide on a path, the better! (i believe this is what ikonia is trying to say) PC building/maintenance; networking; web design; programming; are examples of these, however no one of these is a complete pre-requisite (yes it could be a big would help if you know know, but it is not absolutely essential).
I can understand your college not wanting to put you on the course you demand, look at it from their perspective - they have no proof that you know what you claim to know, is it really in their best interests to put someone through a course when they feel the person would benefit more from a foundation/refresher course as a pre-requisite? And you never know, you may actually learn more than you think from this course.
As for choosing which course to take...that is another matter entirely, once again as ikonia said, this greatly depends on what you want to do - what skills do you aim to achieve, what job are you aiming for, how much time can you commit, what is your budget, what is your prior knowledge, how easily do you think you will be able to pick up new skills. I believe this is your most critical issue. You are in danger of making a decision based on what you percieve to be suitable knowledge/research.
e.g. your earlier post states:

Where I want to be: Anywhere within I.T, preferably programming, I.T Admin, or Web Designer, I'm not all that keen on becoming a system builder because troubleshooting gets quite annoying after a while.

Jobs in IT without troubleshooting are few and far between and generally involve things like data entry. I am not sure what your computer skillsets may be, but i would like to guess that you have never been blessed with the task of troubleshooting a chunk of code? - give me a computer that won't boot up, any day!
I make this point as you mention that you have a PC hardware/maintenance background, which in comparision with networking/programming is generally not as difficult to troubleshoot.
You may find it beneficial to read up on what skills employees in whichever field actually request and use those as a basis for your learning.

Plus, IT and Computing and two very different things. I did both at A level, and while they are both based around computers of course, they go in very different directions.

I second that, i also did both A-Levels and as Agent says - they are far apart.

[merdat]

Try and get a 'cv ' put together and write to a few firms and sell yourself. There are firms with a high turnover of staff in the 'comms ' sector and if you can show enthusiasm then you will prob get the training. You may not get a job in the area that you want right away but it will be a 'stepping stone'.

[iranu]

I've had first hand experience of computeach when I was looking for a change of direction. I went to one of their offices and did the whole eligible/test thing. I must have scored 99% it was that easy. The sales bloke who I'd spoken to on the phone was very enthusiastic and was most likely on commission.

15 mins after the test I was being faced with a very pushy bloke who wanted me to part with £2-3k there and then! for a couple of courses like an MSCE so I decided to take a rain check and find out a bit more about the costs. Turned out they were charging £1500 more than most other competitors so I decided to shelve the idea and continue doing what I do now.

Imho your much better off doing these type of courses at college but make sure you know exactly what direction you wish to take before embarking. Experience also seems invaluable for a number of positions so better to some of that rather than just a flashy piece of paper.

[Clstrphbc_donut]

I thought about what I wanted to do and it is web design or programming, I love constructing things, and they are construction in a way.

Going to go along to college & see what they suggest is my best plan of action.

[Reapsy]

Just wanted to say goodluck I hope it works out for you.

[Clstrphbc_donut]

Thanks, got tomorrow & Tuesday off work so going to give the college a bell tomorrow and start the ball rolling.