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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    A price war? Nvidia could only win if their silicon was cheaper to produce, which it isn't.

    For me this is all rather worrying. I still don't trust the Linux drivers for AMD cards, so I kind of need Nvidia to stay fairly strong.

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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    A price war? Nvidia could only win if their silicon was cheaper to produce, which it isn't.
    Or they had bigger reserves of money.. which they do.

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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    That's an expensive strategy. It could eat through those reserves real quick. And don't the people running the show own a good chunk of it? Hard to make those sorts of decision when it's your own cash at stake.

    Very bad news for NVidia. And bad news for us as well, in the longer run.

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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    A price war? Nvidia could only win if their silicon was cheaper to produce, which it isn't.

    For me this is all rather worrying. I still don't trust the Linux drivers for AMD cards, so I kind of need Nvidia to stay fairly strong.
    Every time a new product is in production (in this case Fermi based cards) NVIDIA issues an EOL on the old parts to sell off the remaining inventory.

    NVIDIA isn't going anywhere, they're just going have a quarter where they're not selling the highest performing single GPU. Next quarter they will.

    Their new chip is a total re-design of the their last gen that will make the 5870s look fairly primitive in comparison. Having one bad quarter while you build the market leading part for the upcoming year isn't a bad thing.

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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    Every time a new product is in production (in this case Fermi based cards) NVIDIA issues an EOL on the old parts to sell off the remaining inventory.
    No they don't. Only when they have a directly competing part do they consider it, and then not that quickly. Or are my eyes lying to me when they still see 9000 series chips in the market?

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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Or they had bigger reserves of money.. which they do.
    You mean sell below cost price?

    Aren't there laws against dumping?

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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    Every time a new product is in production (in this case Fermi based cards) NVIDIA issues an EOL on the old parts to sell off the remaining inventory.

    NVIDIA isn't going anywhere, they're just going have a quarter where they're not selling the highest performing single GPU. Next quarter they will.

    Their new chip is a total re-design of the their last gen that will make the 5870s look fairly primitive in comparison. Having one bad quarter while you build the market leading part for the upcoming year isn't a bad thing.
    Whether or not it will have a huge impact for most gamers is another thing!! Nvidia needs to focus on the £200 and below market(and the equivalents in other countries TBH). Most people care less about features and more about performance in games. Fermi is something like 3 billion+ transistors which makes it much more expensive to make than the chips in the HD5850 and HD5870.

    Top end performance means nothing for most sales. Far less HD4870X2,GTX280,GTX285 and GTX295 cards were sold than their slower minions!

    The successor to the G92 is what Nvidia needs to work on.

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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
    Every time a new product is in production (in this case Fermi based cards) NVIDIA issues an EOL on the old parts to sell off the remaining inventory.

    NVIDIA isn't going anywhere, they're just going have a quarter where they're not selling the highest performing single GPU. Next quarter they will.

    Their new chip is a total re-design of the their last gen that will make the 5870s look fairly primitive in comparison. Having one bad quarter while you build the market leading part for the upcoming year isn't a bad thing.
    Oh I totally agree that Nvidia are not going away any time soon.

    However, the gap between the 260 and Fermi is huge, and apparently nothing to fill it? Thankfully for them most of the sales are at the low end where they still have (not very good) product.

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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    You mean sell below cost price?

    Aren't there laws against dumping?
    Dumping, maybe. No law against selling a product below cost price though - many 10s of millions of games consoles should be proof of that one

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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Top end performance means nothing for most sales.
    To be fair, last time Intel tried to enter the graphics market they got slapped silly in performance by Nvidia and I can see why Nvidia would want to do that again. Perhaps their timing is nothing to do with AMD.

    Amusing deja-vu read for anyone that doesn't remember the Intel i740 graphics accelerator

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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Dumping, maybe. No law against selling a product below cost price though - many 10s of millions of games consoles should be proof of that one
    lol! Fair enough.

    I used to think they were pretty skilled at pricing their kit (same goes for AMD too) but the GT220 review on Anandtech makes Nvidia look pretty silly right now.

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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    Wasn't ATi in a much worse position than nVidia coming up to the release of the 4 series? Their last two generations having been spanked by nVidia's 8 series and a less than inspiring 3870X2 card that got shoved out of the way as soon as the 9800GX2 came along. The survival of ATi and AMD itself was basically depending on the 4 series coming out on top. In fact they are still trying to recover from the 8 series hammerblow with a strong 5 series. nVidia on the other hand have been having healthy sales since the 6 series which got a boost since the release of the 8 series. Now they are just a little bit behind with DX11 parts and are diversifying their business a bit for the future. Look at it in perspective guys, I don't see nVidia going anywhere.

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    Re: RIP GTX260, 275 and 285?

    Well the way I'd see it is there's always going to be periods when one is "better" than the other and times when they're "equal" (rare though). Atm ATI is the "better" one but with the amount of research in technology I won't be surprised when Nvidia overtakes ATI once again lol.

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