graphics card for £250

[alterion]

i don't think you represent a threat to me.. i would just have liked to see you back up your argument with facts like i did... incedentally you say you would gor for an x800 yyet you admit yourself that you bought/ were bought the 6800gt presumably over the x800 pro

6800 vanilla, GT and an integrated Intel chipset

. Saying

Personally, I'd go for a X800. Something inherently nasty about Nvidia.

dose not contribute anything to the thread unless you say WHY i could tell you thta i would go for a 5900ultra at a store thta hasn't yet updated prices because i distrust new cards but it dosn't make me right and I don't backup my argument so i am not contributing to the thread. If you do PM i have a wee vid for you too on constructive posting that i think you may find of use

[davidstone28]

You don't get it do you?

[alterion]

No i don't think i do... Wev'e hijacked this thread enough with this argument and i feel i have conclusivly proved my point so i'm no longer going to post in this thread

[davidstone28]

No i don't think i do... Wev'e hijacked this thread enough with this argument and i feel i have conclusivly proved my point so i'm no longer going to post in this thread

Putting aside any discussion of video cards, here's how to all fits together.

When someone does something to you that takes away some of your control or power, you get angry. If you have low self-esteem, then that means by definition that you do not feel in control. And you will be damned if someone is going to come along and rob you of your last few remaining drops of independence and power, of feeling in control. If you just glanced at this paragraph, please reread it as it is at the foundation of any interpersonal conflicts.

Any situation that you deem as directly disrespectful, or that robs you of your self-respect by taking away your power, forces you to react negatively or angrily. If you feel in control and hence have self-esteem, then you are not going to respond with anger. We see this because the higher a person's self-esteem, the less angry he becomes in any given negative situation. When we don't respect ourselves, we can't truly appreciate or 'love' ourselves and so we seek appreciation, admiration, compliments or validation from others to fill the void.

This love that we need comes in the package of respect. If other eople respect us, then we feel that we can respect ourselves as we "convert" their respect of us into self-love or self-repsect. Self-esteem and ego both pivot on self-respect. We need it from somewhere, and if we don't get it from ourselves we demand it from others.

Self-esteem and ego are inversely related - when one goes up, the other goes down. The part of us that seeks self-respect from others is called the ego. The ego is a projection of how we want and need the world or other people to see us. With low self-esteem (meaning the ego is in charge), when we get "good" or positive feedback, we feel good about ourselves. When we don't, we feel less good about who we are.

When someone is rude or embarrasses us - does anything that is disrespectful - if we have low self-esteem, it causes us to question our own self-worth and lash out with anger. For example, someone says that there's something inherently nasty about Nvidia. Why would it bother you so much? It bothers so much because you have an Nvidia card. You assume that it as a criticism of you personally, and your judgment in buying an Nvidia card. Your blood boils. And you're so blinded by rage, and being out of control of yourself, that you're unable to find out what the situation is baout. This is why a person with low self-esteem is highly sensitive-because his opinion of himself fluctuates with his ability to impress others. A healthy emotional response would be to ask "Why do you say that?" Instead, you lash out with anger and insults. Look at Bertie's reply - he's not flipping out. Neither is Steve or Mas.

Understand, it is only our ego-our false self-that gets offended. The greater our self-esteem, the less hurt we feel when someone is disrespectful. When a person gets angry, it is because he is, to some extent, fearful. And this fear comes from the fact that he has lost control of some aspect of his life-of his circumstance, his understanding of his world, or his self-image. Anger is the impulsive response to this fear, which then sparks the conflict, feud, or disagreement because we direct our anger toward the source that we feel is responsible for robbing us of our power, our control.

Why is anger the emotional response? When we do not get respect from others, we get angry because it hurts how we need to see ourselves. It cuts off our "food" supply - our need for admiration, compliments, 'love', validation etc. And this disrupts our ability to feel in control. The emotional response to this loss of control is fear. And the response to fear - the ego's attempt to compensate for the loss - is anger. At the root of all negative emotions - envy, lust, jealousy, and especially anger - is fear. At the root of fear is low self-esteem. This is why angry people have low self-esteem. This is why they argue, are stubborn, and don't forgive. Anger makes us feel powerful. It gives us the illusion that we are in control, free, and independent. But in reality it makes us lose control.

Anger is just the illusion of being in control. You know that when you become angry, you feel a sense of empowerment, but it is only a counterfeit of true confidence. We hold on to the anger because then we feel that we have control over the relationship. We think we can browbeat someone into submission or get back some self-respect by getting angry at them. When we are hurt, we go into defense mode, and anger boosts the ego and gives us the sense of identity, control, and permanence that was taken away. It is an illusion that grounds us. It is our defense mechanism to feeling vulnerable. Yet in the end, it is still just an illusion and offers no real satisfaction or lasting comfort. And if you always unpredictably flip out of over 'nothing', people will think that you're very odd or will just want to steer well clear of you.

One of main cruxes of self-respect is generally being control of how you react to situations. You're not in control of yourself if you're in a blind rage, saying things, doing things or writing things that you're not in control of. You can't feel good about yourself when you are constantly dependent on someone or something - for example, everyone you come across constantly agreeing with you or expressing exactly the same opinion as you. Think about how you feel when you have to go to someone for help - you can feel uneasy and anxious - and it's because you're dependant on them. People need a sense of independence to feel good, and losing control robs us of our sense of empowerment. It pulls the rug out from under our psyche and its completely self-defeating in the long run.

[alterion]

linky

[davidstone28]

i'm no longer going to post in this thread

Do you always prevaricate or do you just like contradicting yourself?

Pearls before swine.

[steve threlfall]

That made for some interesting reading david. Dont think going off topic is really a worry now as the original poster seem to have vamooshed

[alterion]

Couldn't resist- incedetally i must disgree that aruging with others whoese opinions are different to yours is self-defating.. It seems to me to be the way the world is run.. I don't think bush would say the war on terror is self defeating. As interestig as your article is i still don't see the point?? I disagree with you in an anrgy way because you attempt to mislead somnoe asking for help without any evidence to support yourself so you go and pull out a long article about how as far as i can understand it responing to agrressin put against you is unltimatley self-defeating because you no longer feel in control. ell m atey i hate to break it to you but you also responede to me so you as as guilty of this as me. BTW did you watch the vid? I really don't know how we got onto this conversation but the fact remains thta i was not doing anything wrong or out of the ordinary when i gave my viewpoint and warned the original poster that when all things are said and done your opinion differs from the vast majority of peoples opinions and when all is said and done a person who buys an x800 pro GPU will feel disapointed because they could have got better performance for thier money with a 6800gt. BTW you still haven't said why your in depth code anaylsis had a box about TV tuners in the middle. This is now compleatly off topic but as the original poster has vanished i don't care. it is turning into quite an interesting disscusion

[davidstone28]

Let it go sonny - you're just going to dig yourself into even more of a hole.

[alterion]

what you mean like you did????- sorry i can't even let you have that mercy- my victory must be absolute(I'm sure you a nice person IRL but all's fair in love and war) mods might want to close this thread now as it seems niether f us have anything ekse to say..... And you still havent anwsered my question about you code analysis- i really would genuinely like to know

[davidstone28]

sorry i can't even let you have that mercy- my victory must be absolute (I'm sure you a nice person IRL but all's fair in love and war) mods might want to close this thread now as it seems niether f us have anything ekse to say..... And you still havent anwsered my question about you code analysis- i really would genuinely like to know

i don't give a ***** about code anylsis;

Is your name going to crop up if I search a medical dictionary for the word "schizophrenia" ?

[alterion]

What??? now you really have me confused???? you too must only be describad as quirky. surely you can see how the first one is a joke and you have misqouted the second you STILL haven't awnsered the code anaysis. thingie the reason i didn't care about it was it semmed to be a cheap screenshot made to cover your back. If you really want ot get through to me then tell me the whole story about the coe thingie and drop the mystery man act. stay cool

[muddyfox470]

Personally i think theres something inherently nasty about fanboys

In this case it has to be a 6800gt. Buy a new one (good make too) from the pcw component centre for £240- excellent buy. Easily the best card you will get for £250 or less at the moment

You may even pick up a second hand one for a bit less

Agreed

[steve threlfall]

It goes on...

£250 budget

The best card for the money is a 6800gt imo - if you get a good make then it will most likely overclock to ultra speed- giving you an awesome card (still very very fast if it doesnt make ultra speed)

Seeying as though most x800pro's sell for at least £270 and x800xt platinum editions are available now (well when in stock) for just shy of £300 from lowestontheweb, i wouldnt bother with a pro. If you could pick one up for £200 or less the it would be a different matter.

Only reason i can think of to not go for a 6800gt is there have been a fair few faulty ones but the same applys to ATI's cards.

I have a 9800pro myself and my last nvidia card a was a tnt2. Both Ati and Nvidia are companys that probably dont give a toss about the consumer- they just want to make money (otherwise there would be no reason for their existance). Both companies have been caught rigging benchmarks and the like and using underhand tactics to get one up on eachother in the market.

Its unlikely that Nvidia have cheated to such a degree that the seemingly excellent perfromance of their new cards is just a sham imo. How could some many independants conducting their own benchamarking be wrong? if there is information suggesting otherwise lets have a look

[Hobart Paving]

From the reviews, the best GPU in terms of price / performance, may well be the X800 XL. I guess the only 'disadvantage' is that is doesn't come in AGP format. I guess for AGP, it's the 6800GT (as long as you don't want it to decode/accelerate certain types of video) as you can get it for about £230. However, the way that Nvidia handled the hardware decoding debacle on the 6800 line of cards has left a very sour taste in my mouth, particularly since I've owned Nvidia cards since the TNT2 days. It's a really shabby way to treat customers. I've now got an a HTPC with a £300 GT card in it that can't hardware decode video properly.

[alterion]

To be fair the x8ooxl was not announced when the thread was started now it definatley seems the best option if ATi can avoid supply problems