TFT Response Times

[Matt1eD]

Presuming you use a TFT monitor, what response time is it?

[autopilot]

People need to get over response times. It's misleading and It's not the end all and be all of TFT performance, its only the tip of the iceburg. A good 25ms monitor can have much less lag and ghosting than an cheap 12ms model. And since all most all new 17", including those £130 one's around now, have a response time of less than 20 don't worry about it. Look at contrast ratio's, viewing angles and brightness etc when chosing a TFT.

Response time is the time it takes for a pixel to turn from absolute white to absolute black. However, changing from one colour to another (say red to blue) can take upwards of 500ms and can be vastly different from one 12ms model to another 12ms model.

[Marcos]

So what should we look at to determine wether a monitor is fast?

[skuzgib]

So what should we look at to determine wether a monitor is fast?

Ms still - the trouble is there's no standard way of specifying it - some will quote the lowest time, some the average some the black to white etc.

[Matt1eD]

Please can this not turn into a bickering competition. There is no single variable that affects your TFT performance, and I am perfectly aware dangerous_dom that other factors affect your monitor - howeverI was merely wanting to run a poll to find out people's response time on their TFTs (as general interes).

[poindextermatic]

I was wondering about this response time business myself - am looking at getting a new TFT but have never used one. The 17" viewsonic ones seem pretty good for around £200, on Lowestontheweb, these quote around 16ms but I have heard of this apparent 'ghosting' - should I be bothered?
Has anyone got a viewsonic with 16ms?
Anyone refer me to a realy good 17" gaming TFT for around £200?

[[DW]Cougho]

any tft which uses a decent panel such as the AU optronics 16ms should be fine.

The Viewsonic VX715 is a favourite of many at the moment. Personally i have the 12ms LG1730P and its awesome, goes for around £240.

[Kumagoro]

500 ms surely that is wrong half a second is way to long not even the original gameboy
screen was that slow. Ive read of up to 90 ms but thats not for these latest ones in the last 5 months. I have no idea what it is now though for these cheap ones.

[directhex]

my tft is approaching 3 years old now, with a 30msec panel. top of the range then, and i've yet to have any real ghosting problems.

[autopilot]

my tft is approaching 3 years old now, with a 30msec panel. top of the range then, and i've yet to have any real ghosting problems.

Yes, that was my point exactly. Responce times are becoming fairly academic these days. They have become a marketing tool rather than a defining aspect of TFT panel performance.

500 ms surely that is wrong half a second is way to long not even the original gameboy
screen was that slow. Ive read of up to 90 ms but thats not for these latest ones in the last 5 months. I have no idea what it is now though for these cheap ones.

Sounds mad, but on some uber cheap pannels certain transitions under certain conditions (including 'drop off' time which people forget) it can indeed take that long, at least so i have read. As for the game boy comparison, there where some £2000 laptop screens back then refleshed slower than a gameboy. I rememer my dads old laptop about 8 years ago, using it made you feel drunk!

In case your wondering where this hard too believe fact came from, i read it in two magazines (CustomPC and Personal Computer World).

BTW, who is it at Hexus that writes for CustomPC?

[davidstone28]

I appreciate that this might piss off some people who don't know better, but this poll is utterly pointless.

It should be renamed, "What marketing hype and misinformation about response times have you been taken in by which has led you to buy the monitor that you have bought."

The continual reliance on manufacturer response times happens again and again and again on these forums, and people who don't know better keep on reinforcing the idea that manufacturer response times are accurate and not misleading. When are going to learn that they are extremely poor indication of how the monitor actually performs?

[Matt1eD]

Please can this not turn into a bickering competition. There is no single variable that affects your TFT performance, and I am perfectly aware dangerous_dom that other factors affect your monitor - howeverI was merely wanting to run a poll to find out people's response time on their TFTs (as general interest).

appreciate that this might piss off some people who don't know better, but this poll is utterly pointless.

It should be renamed, "What marketing hype and misinformation about response times have you been taken in by which has led you to buy the monitor that you have bought."

The continual reliance on manufacturer response times happens again and again and again on these forums, and people who don't know better keep on reinforcing the idea that manufacturer response times are accurate and not misleading. When are going to learn that they are extremely poor indication of how the monitor actually performs?

I am totally not saying that response times are purely what to go by; I am merely inquisitive as to what people have. Please read my previous post (included as in first quote).

Please stop arguing about your monitors and the validaty of response time polls.

[davidstone28]

Inquisitive as to what purpose?

I would honestly be interested to know, because save for marketing research purposes, any sort of assessment of reponse times based on manufacturer specs has no useful function. Inaccurate input data = inaccurate output data.

All it is is another form of perception management which simply perpetuates people's misunderstanding of this issue.

What's more important to you? The absolute truth or a lie which makes people feel better about a product (or if you're a manufacturer, a lie which moves move product)?

What would really be useful if someone made an assessment of all popular monitors with a comparative analysis or manufacturer quoted response times, with a comparative analysis of actual response on a bell curve, together with an assessment of buyer perception based on each sets of data.

[Daymonkey]

BTW, who is it at Hexus that writes for CustomPC?

I do believe thats David owner of HEXUS.
tbh i have a year old 25ms samsung panel and havent noticed any ghosting so i agree what you are saying about it becoming a marketing scam.

[Matt1eD]

Inquisitive as to what purpose?

Just interested to see what people have - is that illegal? IT was actually out of interest to see how it correlated with some response I gained personally from doing a mock GCSE maths coursework.

I know perfectly well that response times are not what govern a TFT so please stop re-iterating that fact and I will stop re-iterating that I know that.

What would really be useful if someone made an assessment of all popular monitors with a comparative analysis or manufacturer quoted response times, with a comparative analysis of actual response on a bell curve, together with an assessment of buyer perception based on each sets of data.

If only hexus were capable of doing that.

[Matt1eD]

becoming a marketing scam.

Thankyou, that was the whole point of my Maths coursework, I never thought people would get so argumentative on this forum, I just wanted to find out people's response times in a pole.