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3000 founders edition cards UK
Do we know if there will be more?
I read that Nvidia wasn't selling them anymore on its own website for US and you would be able to get Fe cards from best buy there, but it didn't specify other regions.
I know Scan did have the FE's listed but I can't find them anymore. Is it going to be just AIB boards available now?
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They drop from time to time but are gone in seconds. I hope they can get the stock situation under control within a few months.
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Scan are the UK distributor, so when nvidia release stock of FE cards, they go to scan and then listed on the nvidia website with a special link through to a unique page on Scan. As far as I'm aware the FE cards aren't limited run and should be manufactured throughout the life of the product, just keep watching the nvidia site (or one of the alert services) and be lucky.
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I didnt know there was more FE cards coming from Nvidia, I thought they were doing a launch batch and that was it..
Surely if they are going to drop more FE cards then the AIB's are going to struggle selling cards that come close to the cost of the next model up's RRP...
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I highly doubt you'll be able to get your hands on one, there are silly amounts of bots looking for stock and snapping it up instantly.
I tried to buy a 3060 Ti FE on launch day, sat on the "COMING SOON" page, refreshed to see "BUY NOW" and by the time I'd clicked the button, they were sold out.
It's infuriating that people have nothing better to do than rip others off. I hope they sit on stocks of these cards and lose money on each one.
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There are certain alert sites. The part alert twitter account is quite a good one. It does have lots of rounds of captchas so hopefully that stopped most of the bots
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hugobosslives
There are certain alert sites. The part alert twitter account is quite a good one. It does have lots of rounds of captchas so hopefully that stopped most of the bots
Didn't know about that twitter account - thanks!
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virtuo
Scan are the UK distributor, so when nvidia release stock of FE cards, they go to scan and then listed on the nvidia website with a special link through to a unique page on Scan. As far as I'm aware the FE cards aren't limited run and should be manufactured throughout the life of the product, just keep watching the nvidia site (or one of the alert services) and be lucky.
That's good news! It's not really that I want an Fe edition although the design isn't bad to look at its more cost. The AIB cards all seem to be a fair bit more at the minute. Maybe when the Fe boards are more available it will drive prices down. I hope
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XD_3VIL_M0NKEY
I highly doubt you'll be able to get your hands on one, there are silly amounts of bots looking for stock and snapping it up instantly.
I tried to buy a 3060 Ti FE on launch day, sat on the "COMING SOON" page, refreshed to see "BUY NOW" and by the time I'd clicked the button, they were sold out.
It's infuriating that people have nothing better to do than rip others off. I hope they sit on stocks of these cards and lose money on each one.
Yep this happened to me too. It's really frustrating. In fact I got further on 3070 launch than I did 3060ti. Managed to get a 3070 in my basket and get to the buying page before it times out and made me start again and there was non left :(
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Originally Posted by
hugobosslives
There are certain alert sites. The part alert twitter account is quite a good one. It does have lots of rounds of captchas so hopefully that stopped most of the bots
Thanks I'll check it out
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The stock on these cards runs out very quickly. You have to be very lucky to snag one.
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I managed to snag one in the most recent drop on Scan on Friday. The card arrived Sunday. Anecdotally there seemed to be a good number of FE cards in this drop.
Still sold out fairly quickly. Wouldn't have been able to get it without the part alerts, I'd highly recommend joining up to one of the stock alert channels - still for now you're not going to be able to buy a card without them. Will sell my RX 6800 now!
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If you just all wait until they're more readily available, you'll get them at better prices, and you won't be supporting the system that rewards scalpers.
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There drops are so sporadic, I guess mostly down to the cards being shipped slow freight now and the UK docks being utterly broken. Part alert is probably about the only way you'll know about the drops happening.
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scan have dropped some 3060 & 3070's today, at the time of posting this there are still some available
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I'd also recommend the PartAlert but to use the Telegram or Dischord channel as I've found it to be really fast, and managed to snag a 3080 FE on 18th. They have a specific channel for FEs. I'd also recommend be logged into Scan as often as you can be (what I mean is for that drop there were other EU drops earlier/day before so made sure to keep logged into Scan) but the big part for me was to use Paypal, as I had one before but then my card got declined and then blocked by my bank for further online transactions - had to call them up to unblock it! I also had to jump through about 4 rounds of Captcha's, but still got one.
Oh and last tip, if you're using Android set the notification for the specific Telegram or Dischord channel to something very distinct from your regular one - saves jumping for your phone at every alert.
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These tools are a trap. Keep on using them and rushing to get a card as soon as possible and you're dooming yourself, and others, to a cycle of paying over the odds and rewarding scalpers. The causal chain really isn't hard to discern. Just be patient. You don't need the upgrade now in the same way that if you have luggage, there's no point standing up first when the plane lands.
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Can you expand on why using PartAlert results in 'paying over the odds and rewarding scalpers'? Genuinely interested in the reasons for this (more related to rewarding scalpers part) as I wasn't aware how getting a 3080 FE for retail price was a bad thing (especially when they are £649 which is a lot less that most AIB cards, especially when prices are being jacked up by some well known retailers). Fair enough I've wasted a lot of time listening out for alerts (and wish I'd just selected the FE only channel and set my alert tone to a different one right away!).
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Is there a limit to the number of FE drops, or will they continue until the rumoured 3080TI?
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Bruno
Can you expand on why using PartAlert results in 'paying over the odds and rewarding scalpers'? Genuinely interested in the reasons for this (more related to rewarding scalpers part) as I wasn't aware how getting a 3080 FE for retail price was a bad thing (especially when they are £649 which is a lot less that most AIB cards, especially when prices are being jacked up by some well known retailers). Fair enough I've wasted a lot of time listening out for alerts (and wish I'd just selected the FE only channel and set my alert tone to a different one right away!).
It's about supply and demand. If no-one wanted to reward scalpers by buying from them, they wouldn't exist; they make their money because they can restrict supply. Take away their demand, and you take away their power. Of course, other people may still use scalpers, you have no control over that, but at least you're not contributing the problem at the same time as suffering the results, if you just wait until supply becomes big enough that the scalpers can't restrict it.
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wazzickle
It's about supply and demand. If no-one wanted to reward scalpers by buying from them, they wouldn't exist; they make their money because they can restrict supply.
I thought people were discussing buying from shops, not scalpers? The alert services are just about letting you know when shops have parts in stock.
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[GSV]Trig
I didnt know there was more FE cards coming from Nvidia, I thought they were doing a launch batch and that was it..
Surely if they are going to drop more FE cards then the AIB's are going to struggle selling cards that come close to the cost of the next model up's RRP...
They'll continue to drop FE cards, the only time I can see them stopping is when they're due to release the 4xxx series, at which point the cycle will start again. People can use the part alert services, join discords etc for the drops, I found as much luck (more as it was quicker than the alerts arrived) just bookmarking This page for the founders editions and checking in every now and then. It does help to stay logged into the Scan website for adding to basket and checking out.
As for timing, I randomly found mine and ordered it at 18:58, so not sure what time the link became active on the Nvidia website.
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kalniel
I thought people were discussing buying from shops, not scalpers? The alert services are just about letting you know when shops have parts in stock.
That was my first thought too. I can only think that [EDIT] wazzickle is referring to the fact that some of these sites show eBay as having these items in stock (but only at scalper prices, of course).
AFAIK very few people are stupid/desperate enough to pay these prices though. I certainly wouldn't.
P.S. Actually, I should've included Amazon in the above too. as I was typing this, a 3080 stock alert pinged up for Amazon UK. But when I checked, they're priced at £889. No thanks!
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I'm referring to the entire ecosystem. Simple rules of supply and demand. Prices come down if you just wait, because you've waited, and independently of you waiting. How that plays out within the specific ecosystem is that fewer middlemen can make enough money to justify it, whether or not you use those middlemen.
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kalniel
I thought people were discussing buying from shops, not scalpers? The alert services are just about letting you know when shops have parts in stock.
One good response to scalpers is to raise prices. If your RRRP is £500 but people are buying from scalpers for £800, your product is incorrectly priced, and you can cut out the profit of the middleman by raising the price. The end consumer sees no difference, but the scalpers are cut out, and profit goes to people who deserve it. AFAIK this method is often used when it comes to pricing for gigs and suchlike.
If you are lucky enough to get a card at the advertised value, then you should of course do that, but my understanding of the stock shortages right now are such that it's a huge time commitment for a vanishingly small chance of picking up what you want at the price you want. So it's much easier to wait.
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wazzickle
If your RRRP is £500 but people are buying from scalpers for £800, your product is incorrectly priced,
I hope people aren't paying that.
From a quick look at the Discord channel for Stock Informer, the 3060ti looks like you have to be really on your toes but for £780 you can just order am MSI 3080 from Currys. That was a vanishingly small effort which if I was after a 3060ti and prepared to pay scalper prices would get me a reasonable deal in for form of not paying a scalper and a good upgrade.
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Scan usually drops between the hours of 12-4pm. However their most recent 3080/3090FE drop was at 10am which was a bit random.
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FiizZniiTz
Scan usually drops between the hours of 12-4pm. However their most recent 3080/3090FE drop was at 10am which was a bit random.
Is the link to the drops the same each time?
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retsil
Is the link to the drops the same each time?
No each Scan FE URL is different every drop.
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There was a Scan drop yesterday at 2:10pm. Seemed different this time - not sure if Scan have changed how they manage their basket and checkout procedure? It said they were out of stock at 2:13pm but the buy button came back periodically - I'm guessing it was either allocating stock as soon as it was in a customer's basket (then releasing the stock if it wasn't purchased) or they staggered the stock release. People were still able to buy 30 mins later if they kept refreshing.
Anyway, my point is... if you just miss a Scan drop and it claims its out of stock, keep trying - you may have around 20-30 mins to pick something up.
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Which page do the FE cards show up on Scan? I never seen them listed in the nvidia card pages, just the AIB versions.
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xbloke
There was a Scan drop yesterday at 2:10pm. Seemed different this time - not sure if Scan have changed how they manage their basket and checkout procedure? It said they were out of stock at 2:13pm but the buy button came back periodically - I'm guessing it was either allocating stock as soon as it was in a customer's basket (then releasing the stock if it wasn't purchased) or they staggered the stock release. People were still able to buy 30 mins later if they kept refreshing.
Anyway, my point is... if you just miss a Scan drop and it claims its out of stock, keep trying - you may have around 20-30 mins to pick something up.
Sorry, probably a noob question but how do you get the alerts, do you have to add individual 3080 models to your wish list?
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Kanoe
Which page do the FE cards show up on Scan? I never seen them listed in the nvidia card pages, just the AIB versions.
You have to go through the nvidia store, the link on scan changes every time
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dannyboy75
Sorry, probably a noob question but how do you get the alerts, do you have to add individual 3080 models to your wish list?
There's various twitter, discord and telegram bots that ping out when they are available. There may be email notifications from retailers but they usually arrive too late.
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Maybe i been unlucky then, been stalking the nvidia store for weeks and never seen it say anything other than Out of Stock
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Kanoe
Which page do the FE cards show up on Scan? I never seen them listed in the nvidia card pages, just the AIB versions.
You buy through nvidia's store (sorry can't post a link until 5 posts) and it redirects you to the new Scan page. Scan don't have a static page for it so it doesn't get hit with thousands of bots.
I really recommend using the PartAlert discord channel as it somehow consistently gets alerts 5 mins before my web monitors see stock (to do with browser caching I think). The link from the PartAlert discord will also take you straight to the Scan page and bypass the nvidia store.
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dannyboy75
Sorry, probably a noob question but how do you get the alerts, do you have to add individual 3080 models to your wish list?
With the PartAlert discord channel you can filter based on location, FE editions, different 30XX models. Instructions are under the "sign-up-here" group. There are also community alerts which can be pretty useful.
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I've never seen such a clever bunch of people so willing to disengage the critical thinking part of their brain just because faster graphics zomg
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wazzickle
I've never seen such a clever bunch of people so willing to disengage the critical thinking part of their brain just because faster graphics zomg
Love you too :D
Joking aside, I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s getting a bit sick of being told how I can and can’t spend my own money. Please give it a rest now. You’ve made your point (multiple times) but please give it a rest now.
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There's no need to get defensive, I'm not telling anyone how to spend their money, I'm trying to explain the causal link between rushing out to buy something as soon as you can and then complaining later about scalpers and high prices. It doesn't feel like I have made my point if everyone's still trying to jump on the bandwagon, and don't forget, your actions cause others' to have to either wait or pay higher prices, no man is an island, so I'm not just doing it for your benefit, I'm doing it for my own, because one day maybe I'd like a 3060ti too. But you do you, man
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wazzickle
There's no need to get defensive, I'm not telling anyone how to spend their money
You say there's no need to get defensive, but I don't come to this forum to be patronised. Your previous post infers that those of us trying to buy a 3000-series card now (even though they were released nearly 4 months ago) are lacking in mental capacity because we're impatient, or desperate for "faster graphics zomg". So, at the very least, you're telling us when to spend our money. I appreciate it may be well-intentioned, but I can assure you it doesn't come across that way when you starting questioning the thought processes of other forum members, and especially when you do it repeatedly. Sounding like a stuck record isn't a good look.
Not that it's any of your business, but I have perfectly valid reasons for wanting to purchase a newer graphics card (trying to run Flight Simulator 2020 in VR being one of them) so, if I can pick one up in the coming weeks or months from a reputable retailer at, or close to, RRP then I choose to do so. That's nobody's business but mine, and doesn't mean I lack the ability to think critically, despite what you may believe. Perhaps I just have a different budget and set of priorities to you.
If that means you have to wait a bit longer to purchase your next GPU of choice then I'm sorry, but that's life, and market forces. Deal with it.
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It seems you realize you're acting both selfishly and irrationally. As long as you know you're costing yourself money and others, there's not much more I can do. Not sure why your desire to run Flight Simulator 2020 right now is worth more than my desire to get 144 fps on my games. And I've shown how it's not just your business what you do with your money. Of course, you're free to ignore logic and facts and pretend your actions just go straight into the void of never having existed once they're done, and that freedom mirrors my freedom to repeat the message until you actually understand the words I'm saying.
You can choose whether to feel patronised or not, and your inability to manage your own emotions is not my concern. I didn't come into this forum to bang my head against the wall and have people ignore me, but here we are.
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No need for any personal attacks.
Buying is a personal decision, and yes, that does affect other people, but that's the buyer's right as well. Just because we're affected by something doesn't mean we have a right to change anything or not be ignored. Places like forums are great places were we can all learn about each other's opinions and how we are affected by things, but once that's said we should respect each other's choices or the forums stop becoming a useful place and start becoming school playgrounds.
And yes, that's just my opinion about forums. I won't be offended if it's ignored :p
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wazzickle
I'm trying to explain the causal link between rushing out to buy something as soon as you can and then complaining later about scalpers and high prices.
I don't think release day pricing has ever been much of a problem, though the way Nvidia seems to subsidise a limited run of FE cards to make them appear better value in reviews seems sharp intake of breath worthy but it's obvious enough that I can't get too emotional about it.
As for scalpers, just don't use them and they will go away. That seems fairly simple education with no shouting needed. If people want to spent twice what it is worth on a 3060ti with dubious warranty, then they can go buy a 3080 for the same money as they are readily available.
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At no point was I shouting nor making personal attacks. Again, one's freedom to spend their money however they want is mirrored by my freedom to point out when it's harmful to oneself and to others. If people don't like being called clever at the same time as being accused of allowing the critical thinking part of their brain to take a step back - I guess I could have gone to more effort by creating a closed compliment sandwich rather than the open one? - then that's not really my problem. People are of course always free to find and take offence or perceive anger or condescension where they please.
Maybe a better way to highlight the nature of the causal link is to think about property and homelessness. You don't need to look particularly deep or even think about it long before there you realise that there's a connection between homelessness and the tendency to leave lots of big, expensive property empty after building. Or if De Beers manipulate supply in order to keep prices high, I might have to go searching for a second-rate stone, and the guy selling second-rate stones suddenly notices that more people want his product, so he raises his prices. Just because you can't see a direct line between action and consequence doesn't mean a connection doesn't exist, in the same way that shipping 30 of your friends to Mauritius for a destination wedding may not have a direct effect, right now, on the climate in New York, and the total effect of those flights is only worth a temperature change of 0.00001 degrees in the indian ocean, so you get to pretend that because everyone else is doing it, it doesn't matter that you're doing it too. It's the tragedy of the commons and a consequence of intentionally narrowing our horizon to the point where we can just about see over our own noses and pretending that rational self-interest is somehow the same as the common good. Just because you don't buy from scalpers doesn't mean your actions aren't costing other people money and putting it in the hands of scalpers.
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wazzickle
Just because you don't buy from scalpers doesn't mean your actions aren't costing other people money and putting it in the hands of scalpers.
How?
I bought a PS5 from Game at standard retail price. How have I put money in the hands of scalpers? Other than not buy one at all, which seems defeatist at best, what could I have done better?
Buying from scalpers puts money in the hands of scalpers. Anything else is just market economics.
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wazzickle
Again, one's freedom to spend their money however they want is mirrored by my freedom to point out when it's harmful to oneself and to others.
I agree and no-one is stopping you from doing that. But once you've done that then it's done and we've read it, there's no need to repeat it or comment on someone's rationality perhaps because you don't feel you've been listened to.
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Maybe a better way to highlight the nature of the causal link is to think about property and homelessness.
Again I agree - perhaps more along the lines of property building and unaffordable prices. But having expressed my opinion that I'm affected by other people's choice I also respect their right to make it. Just because it's not rational in my circumstances (and my opinion of theirs), it doesn't mean it's not rational to them and perhaps their circumstances that I don't know as much about.
This isn't just about preventing forums from becoming full of back and forth repeated arguments, it's a practical step to make sure that your and different opinions are actually listened to.
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wazzickle's arguments do have merit although I personally think that the repetition and content of your posts comes off as a little aggressive.
DanceswithUnix is also correct that going to buy something at rrp from a good seller is not the same as a scalper, esp if you're not the one doing the scalping.
However, having to rely on stock & price trackers, the same way/tools that many scalpers do, not a great situation to be in, it's one of the bad sides of a supply and demand economy.
And that is the point where I step back and just wait btw.
And we're all feeding the hype and mythos of the situation which is feeding back into the demand.
The gpu market atm is in a bit of a perfect storm, new cards with a good performance gain over last gen + a good rrp to performance + reduced supply is pushing both the demand and the perceived value up
Although what I'm worried about is that this is not just a storm but it is instead a bubble and if it is a bubble then how close to the top of it are we?
When the new cards came out at first I was relieved because the rrp&rrp per performance was coming down from the 20series, but then the supply&demand issues hit and I'm not just talking about the stock shortage and the price gouging but also the insane levels of hype and demand that is surrounding these cards, it started back with the initial mining craze, vega and the 900series and each new release cycle has seen hype, demand and prices raising, trying to look at it from a distance it's looking very bubble like and people are behaving that way as well.
SO the question is are we in a bubble or a storm? and how long until it breaks?
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Pob255
SO the question is are we in a bubble or a storm? and how long until it breaks?
When supply gets sorted/demand reduces. Of those two, I think supply getting sorted is the more likely, but I'm not too sure about timelines - I would guess the fabs are now churning these out (AMD: initial console bursts done and other 7nm buyers have moved to a different node; Nvidia: early yield issues likely sorted by now) but I guess global logistics is a bit off-kilter still so other parts/boards aren't coming together as smoothly as normal. Finger in the air guess would be early spring when supply is sorted.
Demand going elsewhere I don't think is going to happen, either for 3000 founders or for AMD. It'll only dampen when enough people have new cards or there's a replacement card they want even more. Digital currencies being so high isn't helping either as it adds another customer base, but mining is probably more transient.
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Yes, there's multiple issues atm, not just fab space, the 6000 series is built on TSMC n7+, but so are the ryzen cpu's, console SoC also Apple and Huawei us it so they are all fighting for fab space, nvidia is using Samsung 8N so it's mainly fighting for fab space with mobile cpu's
fighting for fab space might be a bit hyperbolic, but it is a potential limit on production.
Actually I wonder if ms and sony pressure to fix supply shortages of consoles has put gpu production on a lower urgency for AMD as for filling these contracts is of a far greater importance?
Next we have the secondary component effects, increased demand and reduced production hasn't just effected the chips but all of the electronic components that go onto the pcb, so Bulk capacitor availability and prices could well of gone up effecting price and production.
crypto mining is still a factor, having a big chunk of demand.
Increased datacentre/AI demand while not directly effecting gaming card demand, the simularity of components could well be effecting production of gaming cards.
With high demand and supply shortages, this year we've seen a big rise in scalping, truther adding to the issues.
But my real worry is that this isn't just a one off storm but an ongoing trend that started a couple of years ago with the whole mining crisis and is just being built on year by year which is turning it into a bubble.
and if it is a bubble what the heck will happen when it finally pop's?
back in the 90's early 2000's there where quite a few companies who went under leaving us with this 2 horse race we have, granted that was more of a race for performance and market, but at the same time there were specialist workstation cards often running on far different hardware, nvidia and ati killed that market by using the same chip design for both pro and gaming cards (I seem to remember that a big chunk of the original geforce chip was based off a Licensed 3DLabs Glint chipset, rip 3DLabs)
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Pob255
However, having to rely on stock & price trackers, the same way/tools that many scalpers do, not a great situation to be in, it's one of the bad sides of a supply and demand economy.
Completely agree with you. I don't think everyone waiting some arbitrary amount of time is the logical or practical solution though. For a lot of card purchasers, myself included, it's not about higher fps, it's about working more efficiently.
At the end of the day, if we level the playing field with the scalpers then we reduce both their stock and their number of potential buyers - this is only a good thing. This is especially possible with the 30XX FEs as Scan limit them to one per person and also require captcha submission for the purchase.
Thanks to PartAlert my 3070FE arrived today, paid £469... I don't understand how it would've been better for everyone if I waited and let that card go to a scalper.
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xbloke
Completely agree with you. I don't think everyone waiting some arbitrary amount of time is the logical or practical solution though. For a lot of card purchasers, myself included, it's not about higher fps, it's about working more efficiently.
At the end of the day, if we level the playing field with the scalpers then we reduce both their stock and their number of potential buyers - this is only a good thing. This is especially possible with the 30XX FEs as Scan limit them to one per person and also require captcha submission for the purchase.
Thanks to PartAlert my 3070FE arrived today, paid £469... I don't understand how it would've been better for everyone if I waited and let that card go to a scalper.
That's an interesting way to look at it and that has to be figured in. The logic works better in a vacuum; outside of the vacuum, you would look at the system that creates both the opportunity for the scalpers and the necessity for legitimate consumers to go through such a ridiculous rigmarole just to get a fair deal, and conclude that the effect going the other way (difficult to quantify whether greater than the effect you mentioned, i'm sure it's possible but outside my skillset) is the fact that the prices that scalpers set are determined in part by the urgency and desperation customers feel, and by partaking in all the discords and twitters and so on (which i'm sure the scalpers check, if not use) you're contributing to that. Supply and demand works like a pressure system, in that a change in pressure far down the line needs to be equalized by something else, i.e. none of this happens in a vacuum. The least effect you could have is if you just avoid all those options and reload pages until you get one, and yes, that's one a scalper might have got, but it's also one another legitimate but desperate customer might have got and leads the scalpers to see more demand.
If you add on top of that the exponential (i think?) effect that comes from scalpers making rational decisions about what level of profit is and isn't worth their time, and seeing that this is more than worth their time leading to them contacting their mates and ramping up in order to try to take over a higher proportion of the market, it further suggests that from the point of view of a rational self-interested person who's thinking about the long term, let alone other people, is to wait a few months down the line until the market sorts itself out, because really, that's not a big ask. You've gone this long without a 3060ti, a few months more won't hurt.
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I agree in part with wazzickle, but I don't think you can blame someone for buying an FE at MSRP!
Just needs other people to be disciplined and wait for their opportunity to buy an FE at MSRP, rather than get impatient and buy a scalped one. However, there are always going to be people with more money than time that would rather just get the product even if they pay over the odds for it.
I think really we should be laying the blame more at nVidia / AMD's door for failing to supply serious quantities of cards, rather than arguing with eachother
For me if I wanted to get a 3080 I might spend up to £750 for a good AIB version, if I couldn't get hold of an FE, otherwise I will do my best to wait, although when you've been excited about a new build since the announcement in September, the waiting does get frustrating!
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I think it would be simple for amd and nvidia to introduce a pre-purchaase registration database.
2 cards per bank account.
To buy more you need to declare a business account.
That way they could demonstrably support the gaming community by limiting miners. They can limit sales to single card purchases only.
They still sell all the cards they make and administering the registration is just an extension of the sh*t they do already.
Yes miner communities will get around it to a degree but whilst they adjust it would give us a chance to get them at msrp.
Won't help with individual scalpers either
But if it releases 30% of production to the ACTUAL gaming community it a win right?
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Zatoichi
I think it would be simple for amd and nvidia to introduce a pre-purchaase registration database.
2 cards per bank account.
To buy more you need to declare a business account.
That way they could demonstrably support the gaming community by limiting miners. They can limit sales to single card purchases only.
They still sell all the cards they make and administering the registration is just an extension of the sh*t they do already.
Yes miner communities will get around it to a degree but whilst they adjust it would give us a chance to get them at msrp.
Won't help with individual scalpers either
But if it releases 30% of production to the ACTUAL gaming community it a win right?
I wish this could happen, but it takes far too much common sense for it to ever happen, one can only wish.
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I don't really believe nvidia minds who they sell their gpu's to all that much
They reportedly sold a large quantity in a separate batch to miners
So I can't really seem them too much out of their way to ensure individual gamers specifically get them, but I am perhaps a bit of a cynic
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Seen loads of these on facebook marketplace. Even I wouldn't buy them off there but why are they selling them.
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Jmurr
I don't really believe nvidia minds who they sell their gpu's to all that much
They reportedly sold a large quantity in a separate batch to miners
So I can't really seem them too much out of their way to ensure individual gamers specifically get them, but I am perhaps a bit of a cynic
Nope you're correct, Miners are big business now, they buy cards by the pallet not a few from retailers/websites
and yes they'll have business accounts with nvidia, they'll not be paying retail price ether, probably they are offering slightly higher than trade price, which is still a chunk less than rrp but makes them a more interesting offer than most most retailers/distributers who will be pushing to lower the trade price so they can make higher returns without lowering the point of sale price or lower the point of sale price to try to grab market share without impacting returns.
Most retailers don't scalp because they no what the effect on reputation will be in the long run, if they are selling above rrp then it's probably more down to increased Trade prices and that's miners and limiting retail sales too 1 gpu per-customer isn't going to change that, miners will already have there big bulk shipments of cards.
The biggest damage in availability atm is scalpers, it's a very difficult thing to do well, you have to predict what's going to sell and how much you can get away with over rrp, you have to get in when it's hot but before it's run out or the price has gone up then sell when demand is highest and supply lowest to get the most inflated price you can.
Now don't get me wrong, scalpers are scum, but it's not an easy thing to do well for a long time (many can get lucky once but that's it)
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Pob255
Nope you're correct, Miners are big business now, they buy cards by the pallet not a few from retailers/websites
and yes they'll have business accounts with nvidia, they'll not be paying retail price ether, probably they are offering slightly higher than trade price, which is still a chunk less than rrp but makes them a more interesting offer than most most retailers/distributers who will be pushing to lower the trade price so they can make higher returns without lowering the point of sale price or lower the point of sale price to try to grab market share without impacting returns.
Most retailers don't scalp because they no what the effect on reputation will be in the long run, if they are selling above rrp then it's probably more down to increased Trade prices and that's miners and limiting retail sales too 1 gpu per-customer isn't going to change that, miners will already have there big bulk shipments of cards.
The biggest damage in availability atm is scalpers, it's a very difficult thing to do well, you have to predict what's going to sell and how much you can get away with over rrp, you have to get in when it's hot but before it's run out or the price has gone up then sell when demand is highest and supply lowest to get the most inflated price you can.
Now don't get me wrong, scalpers are scum, but it's not an easy thing to do well for a long time (many can get lucky once but that's it)
I feel like some retailers, or someone in the chain at least is scalping to some extent, most of the prices I've seen I don't think I'd pay. Think I've seen Gigabyte gaming oc 3070 for like £670/680 which is more than a 3080FE!
I just hope that it doesn't take too much longer for some sensible prices and a bit of availability! Been waiting a fair few months now...
Would like to just put it off and ignore it all for a couple months til things are better, but don't seem to be able to do that very well at the moment stuck at home!
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oh that's just overclockers, they've never been shameless when price gouging, but they just keep getting away with it.
Have a look on amazon marketplace, there are people who want £900+
I give to you "Beauty Masters" https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?me=A7FNDQ...A1F83G8C2ARO7P
who sell skin care products and have Two whole Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3070 GAMING OC 8GB Graphics Cards for just £932 each
That is a scalper, when you have low availability and add in a bunch of scum like that and you get the situation we're in.
Miners do effect the situation, they divert stock before it can get to retail and push up whole sale prices (again I agree with you that trying to ban miners from retail is pointless because they don't buy retail)
what I keep trying to get at is that it's not a single cause and effect, there's lots of factors going on, they are stacking together atm to really make things bad which in turn are having other knock on effects eg the crazy 2nd hand market
One thing I also concede that is possible is lots of little price rises along the supply chain, esp if there is reduced production, the many steps on the chain will rise prices to cover the loss in volume.
However that should all be shown in the RRP not just the point of sale price.
here's another interesting point only people who have stock are people who are selling high above rrp
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Pob255
oh that's just overclockers, they've never been shameless when price gouging
Or Overchargers, as I affectionately like to call them...
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Just a quick question.
I've been looking for the 3060ti Founder's Edition since I missed out on launch day. Have any of these FE cards ever been made available by Nvidia since? I can't even find them listed on any retailer anywhere, let alone find one in stock!
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Yes but not too often and you have to be quick.
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I got a new RTX 3070 Founders Edition for RRP on the 6th by following a bot on Telegram. It went completely smoothly, unlike on launch day when I kept getting timeouts and eventually failed.
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Nvidia randomly drop them through Scan and they're gone in 2 minutes. Last drop was on 11/01/2021. Joining a Discord or Telegram stock alert group is the only chance you have of getting one.
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This is a quiet week for me so I will check regularly on Scan and nvidia store Mon-Fri as I have it on good authority that Scan are getting deliveries this week (and they supply the FE edition via the nvidia store). Will report back.
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So did anybody manage to pick up a 3080 FE from that Scan drop just now? I was on their site about 30 seconds after my alert pinged up, but even by that time there was no 'Buy now button'. Refreshed the page a few times, and after a couple of minutes it was amended to say out of stock.
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I looked when my alert came up and I had the same thing. Went on the site but there was no buy button until it was out of stock. Was after a 3070 really, but some of the aftermarket 3070s are the same price as the 3080 FE.
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I've abruptly decided I want either a 3060ti FE or 3070 FE. (Honestly for aesthetic reasons more than anything). Currently have a 1660 Super and it serves me fine for my 1080p gaming, albeit a tad noisy at times. Hitting close to 144 FPS would be nice too.
I have the NVIDIA page bookmarked. Logged into Scan. So is it a matter of refreshing the NVIDIA page till it shows in stock? Or do I need to look at the scan page first? I'm not understanding where you go first.
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I got mine via the NVidia site, that then linked to the page on Scan..
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I see. Do you suggest doing anything in particular? Like saving details somewhere or autofilling a pre-existing form so upon buying it is a seamless transaction.
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Seems scan are the most reliable place to get 3000 series. Still looking to grab myself 3080. I read in these forums Scan is the exclusive seller of FE, but are they selling aftermarket cards like the TUF etc at similar intervals?
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I didnt have anything saved or pre-set, had never bought from Scan before..
It got to 2pm and I had heard that they were getting some cards on the Nvidia site so I tried it, and got one..
I actually wanted a 3080 originally but missed the boat on that one..
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The Part Alert discord helped me bag a 3080fe last week. Which was nice.
The link on scan changes every time for the FE cards.
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I'd like a 3080FE if I can get one, given how prices are going up though I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.
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Also in the market for a RTX3080, but like rocking horse rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish :(
Picked up a few tips here so will keep checking the likely candidate sites, currently thou always out-of-stock.
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There is word these are now discontinued as they've been pulled off NVIDIA's various sites. Gutted if so that is the case.
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Yeah I noticed mid-afternoon that the Nvidia option was gone from their own site, maybe they've taken it down as people are hammering it waiting for stock, or perhaps they have stopped producing the FE models, either full stop or, hopefully, at least while they are ramping up for the new releases...
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I noticed they were showing Buy Now for a bit, which redirected to an old scan.co.uk link. Then they went off completely. Anyway I'm not interested in any of the AIB cards so having to patiently wait. I trust they will be on the horizon soon, somewhere.
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FE cards are now showing on the Nvidia website again; prices haven't changes and, as expected, listed as out of stock.
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Thanks, that's good news. Apart from being the only cards actually listed at RRP (or MSRP if you speak American), I rather like the aesthetics of the FE cards.
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I like the look of the FE cards and would love a 3080FE even if it was £100 higher. Just a shame about the supply. It doesn't seem that Scan will be getting a delivery this week. Had all my hopes for a drop yesterday but sadly didn't happen. Will keep my fingers crossed.
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I'm still hoping for a 3080, but the 3060Ti will have to do for now, if I get a 3080 I'll stick the 3060 on here..
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Also looking for a 3080FE.
A mate of mine recommended the discord channel and helped get me setup on it as never used it before.
Now have it on in background when working and drop everything when I hear a ping. Sadly I'm not fast enough. Tho after reading this thread I've picked up some useful tips. Thanks guys.
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Got my 3070 FE. Thanks very much to hexus for the free shipping too.
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they dropped today 15:15 at Scan
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ACBRAH
Got my 3070 FE. Thanks very much to hexus for the free shipping too.
Well played, managed to get my 3080FE too :)
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Missed them this time round, building a bloody PC for someone at work and didn't notice the Skype message a mate had sent me :'(
Forgot about the free shipping tho on my 3060Ti, ah well have to wait until the next 3080 drop..
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Interesting video suggesting that if you have a 1070 / 1080 / 1080ti, there's relatively limited value in upgrading to a 30-series, even if there weren't stock shortages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvM_MTdCdeM
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Got declined every time I tried to get 3080FE today :undecided Could well be to do with the fact I had 3070 already.
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I heard they are checking, so same address, IP etc might be why, I tried to get one but missed the message from a friend so by the time I got in and had changed to the secondary internet connection and changed browser it was saying out of stock :/
I'll get a VM on the test network at work setup ready to go for next time though lol
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[GSV]Trig
I heard they are checking, so same address, IP etc might be why, I tried to get one but missed the message from a friend so by the time I got in and had changed to the secondary internet connection and changed browser it was saying out of stock :/
I'll get a VM on the test network at work setup ready to go for next time though lol
Good luck lol, I was working from home, changed to my PC screen a minute before the drop almost like I knew, clicked immediately and checked out within 30 seconds, got declined the first time. Button re-appeared couple more and got declined again. Will try another form of payment next time (was using guest checkout). Guessing my address might not be eligible for one but that 3070 was just meant to be temporary solution :(
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[GSV]Trig
Missed them this time round, building a bloody PC for someone at work and didn't notice the Skype message a mate had sent me :'(
Forgot about the free shipping tho on my 3060Ti, ah well have to wait until the next 3080 drop..
Same here :(
Came home from a little bit of essentials shopping only to see the PC alerts lit up flashing like crazy.
But I was just a little too slow!
Better luck to us all next time ;)
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I managed to grab one yesterday after trying for about 2 months. Can't fault Scan, it was delivered this morning just after 8am.
I used Amazon Pay for checkout, as I thought it might be quickest, but didn't realise that it would mean that I got charged for delivery. Hey-ho, it's only an extra tenner, still significantly cheaper than all the 3rd party cards.
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If it helps anyone, I used alerts from Part Alert and UK Stock Alert, both from their Twitter and Discord channels. In my experience, sometimes Part Alert would be quickest, other times UK Stock Alert. And there was no pattern as to whether the Twitter or Discord alert would come through first, so I ended up by trying to cover all the bases.
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Yeah, I used both those, just the discord though. I only started using them a couple of weeks back, so I consider that a good result.
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people here trying to get a 2nd one, clowns. Give the rest of us a chance FFS.
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Took me 5 months since release, but a friendly discord channel took me out of my misery yesterday. Card delivered today, work had me pull a 14 hour shift and I haven't touched. Fml
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I've heard of scalping but this is more decapitation! £4k for a 3090???
https://i.ibb.co/prTPY4w/scalping1.jpg
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Yeah, current situation sucks for anyone really needing an upgrade right now. Wonder how long stock will take to stabilise and for prices to recover.
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Yeah, current situation sucks for anyone really needing an upgrade right now. Wonder how long stock will take to stabilise and for prices to recover.
You and me alike, been seeking a 3080FE for months always missing out by hours :(