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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    Ooh that's bad

    I mean really what were they thinking. Yeah, the 4070 12GB should have been released as a 4060ti. this lineup just doesn't make sense.

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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    Interesting :

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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    That De8auer video once again says that Nvidia claim the extra gpu cache will make up for only having 8GB of vram. Do Nvidia really say that? Or are they being unclear because that's just plain wrong.

    The extra cache will help get over the 128bit bus to avoid fetching from vram, which it seems to do a passable job of right up to 4K resolutions where it collapses under the strain. But if data isn't in the undersized vram then that's a fetch from system ram and the cache isn't going to help that one single bit. Not a jot.

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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I'm still not sure what to think tbh.

    According to Nvidia the ray tracing performance has nearly doubled compared to 3060ti, and tensor core performance has nearly tripled. If shader performance had gone up like that, then I'm sure I would give the card a thumbs up. But I'm still not convinced I care about RT and tensor performance.

    Pretty sure I won't be buying one mind, and right now the 3070ti is below RRP while they sell them off (another card with not enough vram).

    The 16GB vram version should take a lot of pressure off the PCIe bus
    Its all marketing rubbish based on inserting fake frames like a TV.

    Now the reviews are out it is just a stinking POS - even my RTX3060TI can beat it sometimes at qHD.

    Look at the HUB video - Nvidia is marketing it as a 1080p card,but also admit the 16GB model is better.

    It wouldn't surprise me on my PCI-E 3.0 motherboard it starts to look even worse.

    Edit!!

    In TFLOPs its actually slightly better than an RTX3070TI. But its much slower.
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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    It wouldn't surprise me on my PCI-E 3.0 motherboard it starts to look even worse.
    De8auer taped off half the card data fingers to make it work at PCIe4 x4 (so basically equivalent to PCIe3 x8). It was a few percent slower, which should bring the average performance down to 3060ti speeds given the narrow gap to start with

    He did that to show that PCIe4 x16 wasn't needed, but for all of us with not that old motherboards that don't do PCIe4 that seems a more interesting way to look at it.

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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Are these slow enough not to be bothered by the 8 lane restriction for those on PCIe 3 motherboards?
    That's an interesting spin on making a negative into a positive

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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    I know naming isn't important as such but:

    3050 - 106 die, 23.8% of full die cores, 276mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8

    4060ti - 106 die, 23.6% of full die cores, 190mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8

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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    Well, I said
    We'll find out, I guess, when various independent testers get done testing and publish their results/conclusions.
    I've just watched Steve at GN and he .... ummm .... didn't sit on the fence, with a title like "Do Not Buy ....".

    So some initial performance claims seem to be a victory of hype over reality.

    As for Jayz .... recovering from "major surgery" but has pulled their 4060 announcement vid and apologised for it. That speaks volumes, too.

    I think this one gets a hard pass from me - not that I was tempted anyway
    A lesson learned from PeterB about dignity in adversity, so Peter, In Memorium, "Onwards and Upwards".

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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    I know naming isn't important as such but:

    3050 - 106 die, 23.8% of full die cores, 276mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8

    4060ti - 106 die, 23.6% of full die cores, 190mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8
    Naming is important, but so is price.

    I would be fine with this being called a 4060ti with basically no performance bump over the 3060ti *IF* the card was £200. Is that price unfair? Not sure. AMD sell a Ryzen 7600 where both die added together come to about 190mm on similar advanced processes and those aren't cheap. A GPU has PCB, ram and VRM costs to throw in. But still, this product feels just greedy so far at the announced $400 price. And it isn't like they put in a lot of ram
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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    I see the 7600 GPU is now benchmarked, also with 8GB of vram.

    I guess for 12GB AMD would have to throw in a 3rd memory controller die, as well as the memory chips.

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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I see the 7600 GPU is now benchmarked, also with 8GB of vram.

    I guess for 12GB AMD would have to throw in a 3rd memory controller die, as well as the memory chips.
    At least it seems to be priced correctly(ish).

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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    Quote Originally Posted by Percy1983 View Post
    At least it seems to be priced correctly(ish).
    It's in the right direction, but seems to be about the release price of the 8GB RX480. So a 60 class card for 80 class price?

    I sometimes build machines that want to have 3 monitors attached. Really don't care about performance, but low end cards tend to only be dual monitor these days. These prices suck for office use.

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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    I sometimes build machines that want to have 3 monitors attached. Really don't care about performance, but low end cards tend to only be dual monitor these days. These prices suck for office use.
    There is definitely a lack of office GPU's for multimonitor setups. I've come across the same problem.
    Matrox are now obscene prices.

    This is where I think intel would have done better to target this area as well.

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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    It's in the right direction, but seems to be about the release price of the 8GB RX480. So a 60 class card for 80 class price?

    I sometimes build machines that want to have 3 monitors attached. Really don't care about performance, but low end cards tend to only be dual monitor these days. These prices suck for office use.
    I have a similar issue, in that older laptops can't do triple 1080p via USB-C DP Alt Mode. Not wanting to buy a new laptop and docking station with HBR3 or Thunderbolt, and too lazy to plug the third display in to the laptop, I bought one of these things for £10:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233246356915

    Basically, USB to DP/DVI-I, using a DisplayLink chip. Actually works suprisingly well, rubbish for graphically intensive applications of course, but for MS Office there isn't any noticible performance penalty.

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    Re: 4060 Ti info announced - first cards imminent

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    De8auer taped off half the card data fingers to make it work at PCIe4 x4 (so basically equivalent to PCIe3 x8). It was a few percent slower, which should bring the average performance down to 3060ti speeds given the narrow gap to start with

    He did that to show that PCIe4 x16 wasn't needed, but for all of us with not that old motherboards that don't do PCIe4 that seems a more interesting way to look at it.
    Whereas my RTX3060TI has zero problems! What a joke release - a "budget" dGPU which needs an AMD motherboard from 2020(or an Intel one from 2021) to perform at it's best. If it had 16GB of VRAM it might have got away with it.

    At least the RX7600 is well under £300,though it really needed to be closer to £200ish.

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