Hmmm grungy - can't say I think that's particularly obvious.
Ok, so the firefox preferences dialog is like this? It wasn't the last time I looked (but then I'm an Opera user - which has normal windows buttons too..). EDIT: just tried firefox and it doesn't.
Then you're being somewhat close minded (or simply not producing Windows apps) because really there's no great logic to making a close button actually save your preferences on Windows. You pull out an example, I can give you ten that do it the 'normal' way - and it's because of that alone you can't decide to do things in reverse in your Windows app (which is exactly what you're asking for). Of course, it's horses for courses and managing bookmarks is somewhat different from user preferences in your app (Opera does it on a new tab for example and everything you do is immediately actioned). Oh well.
QFT
slightly off-topic
but im forcing myself to use opera, and if it had i's own version of adblock and noscript, it would be game over
it' rather bizzarre they would try to introduce another browser when there are 2/3 very good ones already...
I've always had a soft spot for Opera myself; I found it faster and more stable than FF, but I'm a complete add-ons whore so generally use FF unless it's an awkward site.
So i decided to have a play myself to see what all the fuss is about - I hate the user interface frankly.
Look/feel: clunky flat looky app, dreary colour (what there is of it). The user has to work at everything to work out how to do things (see later). Predicatable it looks completely out of place on Windows by looking like OSX. I'm not convinced this is a 'good thing' out the box if they want to sway users of other browsers on the Windows platform. Amusing how the help is probably the only Windows-like part of the app
Resize the window: every other app i can simply pull out one side of the frame to make it wider/smaller. Safari requires me to use the gripped in the lower right hand corner. I suppose we ought to thank them for min/max buttons though..
Tabbed browsing: disabled by default? It's 2007.. Eventually worked out i had to show the 'tab bar' to see tabs. Then I had to work out how to get it to open links in a new tab - located in preferences.. gahhh
The preferences: same vein as firefox in layout - quite clear and concise, pretty easy to navigate. However - I now see what the fuss is about - there's no easy way to cancel any changes you make. In fact, I can't see how I undo them at all - perhaps i'm thick
Fonts: horrible. I don't need to go into this but why they've not just used the cleartype rendering available on windows is beyond me. It's not difficult, I do it all the time
Speed: seems slower that Opera to me - and takes a lot longer to start displaying anything. Going from restored state to maximised state on www.ebay.com is instant on Opera, painful on Safari (it's not even reloading the page).
Apple - too late to the party with a crappy browser. I'd rather use IE7. I feel dirty saying it.
off topic: I use Opera, and the easiest way to ad block I've found is to use The Proxomitron. It may be old, and unsupported by the author now, but it still works very well.
I do find problems with some websites whilst using though - ebay has a few problems ... for instance it tends to have some annoying glitches where the filter dropdows don't operate correctly.
slightly more on-topic: I hate Windows apps that don't conform to the standards. That mostly based on the fact that I work on a pensions admin system that operates in windows but is coded on a non-MS platform. Consequently some of my colleagues tend to make up their user interface as they go along, ignoring the standard MS style. It confuses the users, and it confuses me too. It's a personal bug-bear!
Safari was bad on macs, let alone on windows. I never used it when I had a mac as it was clunky and did things in a counter-intuitive way. Always used firefox. On my new vista lappy I am quite enjoying ie7 though.
Not around too often!
Bingo; we have an accounts system that runs on *NIX on the server, and used to serve a bunch of ugly as **** Wyse terminals. They DO have a Windows front end, but it's an absolute pig to operate; doesn't scale windows properly, doesn't handle fonts properly, the forms are a maze of poorly designed and badly documented commands, doesn't print to Windows printers, doesn't follow the Windows standards for hot keys, navigation of forms by keys is a joke, basically, as I said, a pig. It's being canned, as I suspect will Safari; Jobs can brag about downloads all he wants, but that'll only be because he lumps it in with the QT download; the proof of the pudding'll be actual browsing stats, and I reckon that Safari'll be nowhere.
Opera: Right click, Block content click on what you want to block or go to details and add a url like http://*.nastyaddpeople.com/*.
Safari: Alpha stability with a beta title :/ Doesn't use cleartype, but Apple's OS X anti-aliasing. Looks grey and nasty. Useful for testing for Mac Users. Opera uses a non-standard look by default, but I run in "native". Why can't Safari have that?
But if safari is included in the QT bundle, it will install and set itself as the default internet browser. A large proportion of iPod users don't have a clue how to change that back so the browsing stats may be quite surprising!
I tried Safari for about an hour and got so annoyed with the way things were layed out. Opening a tab required way too much effort looking through the menus and the anti ailising on the text is awful...
If that happens to a significant degree then i can see Apple getting their knuckles wrapped just like others have done for bundling browsers and installing things by default.
I've tried Safari on Windows a few days. Not very happy with it.
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