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    Quote Originally Posted by dangel View Post
    Cor, next you'll be justifying lotus note's super annoying habit of using F5 to mean 'log me out' instead of 'refresh' (aka the windows standard)
    I don't think there is any excuse for Lotus Notes full stop

    Quote Originally Posted by Gordy View Post
    You just go back an undo them.
    As long as you can remember what they were to begin with. Picky i know, but i still don't like the ideas of it saving them without a get out

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckskull View Post
    Then again if they renamed it iBrowse millions of fanboys would download it and swear it was the best, fastest and most secure browser in the world.
    There was a web browser on the Amiga called that already, I suspect they would get sued if they called it that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordy View Post
    You just go back an undo them.
    Hmmm grungy - can't say I think that's particularly obvious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gordy View Post
    Firefox has similiar options for example there isn't an ok/cancel/apply for organising the bookmarks. The fact is there are instances even on windows where the same buttons are missing, eg the registry.
    Ok, so the firefox preferences dialog is like this? It wasn't the last time I looked (but then I'm an Opera user - which has normal windows buttons too..). EDIT: just tried firefox and it doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gordy View Post
    I fail to see how someone with a brain could get confused by not seeing the traditional ok/cancel/apply buttons. And I deal with users of all levels every day.
    Then you're being somewhat close minded (or simply not producing Windows apps) because really there's no great logic to making a close button actually save your preferences on Windows. You pull out an example, I can give you ten that do it the 'normal' way - and it's because of that alone you can't decide to do things in reverse in your Windows app (which is exactly what you're asking for). Of course, it's horses for courses and managing bookmarks is somewhat different from user preferences in your app (Opera does it on a new tab for example and everything you do is immediately actioned). Oh well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Funkstar View Post
    I don't think there is any excuse for Lotus Notes full stop
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeTuk View Post
    Not many use it on OSX so why do they think Windows users will?
    Because it'll be in the next update for iTunes/Quicktime, knowing Apple.
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    slightly off-topic

    but im forcing myself to use opera, and if it had i's own version of adblock and noscript, it would be game over

    it' rather bizzarre they would try to introduce another browser when there are 2/3 very good ones already...

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    I've always had a soft spot for Opera myself; I found it faster and more stable than FF, but I'm a complete add-ons whore so generally use FF unless it's an awkward site.

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    So i decided to have a play myself to see what all the fuss is about - I hate the user interface frankly.

    Look/feel: clunky flat looky app, dreary colour (what there is of it). The user has to work at everything to work out how to do things (see later). Predicatable it looks completely out of place on Windows by looking like OSX. I'm not convinced this is a 'good thing' out the box if they want to sway users of other browsers on the Windows platform. Amusing how the help is probably the only Windows-like part of the app

    Resize the window: every other app i can simply pull out one side of the frame to make it wider/smaller. Safari requires me to use the gripped in the lower right hand corner. I suppose we ought to thank them for min/max buttons though..

    Tabbed browsing: disabled by default? It's 2007.. Eventually worked out i had to show the 'tab bar' to see tabs. Then I had to work out how to get it to open links in a new tab - located in preferences.. gahhh

    The preferences: same vein as firefox in layout - quite clear and concise, pretty easy to navigate. However - I now see what the fuss is about - there's no easy way to cancel any changes you make. In fact, I can't see how I undo them at all - perhaps i'm thick

    Fonts: horrible. I don't need to go into this but why they've not just used the cleartype rendering available on windows is beyond me. It's not difficult, I do it all the time

    Speed: seems slower that Opera to me - and takes a lot longer to start displaying anything. Going from restored state to maximised state on www.ebay.com is instant on Opera, painful on Safari (it's not even reloading the page).

    Apple - too late to the party with a crappy browser. I'd rather use IE7. I feel dirty saying it.
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    safari for windows isn't a browser

    safari for windows is a tool for web developers to check safari compatibility - for mac and iphone targets

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    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    safari for windows isn't a browser

    safari for windows is a tool for web developers to check safari compatibility - for mac and iphone targets
    You'd better tell Steve then - he's a differing idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Steve of Jobs
    "We think Windows users are going to be really impressed when they see how fast and intuitive web browsing can be with Safari," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "Hundreds of millions of Windows users already use iTunes, and we look forward to turning them on to Safari's superior browsing experience too."
    Although I'd agree with you - it isn't a browser (it's a mistake).
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    off topic: I use Opera, and the easiest way to ad block I've found is to use The Proxomitron. It may be old, and unsupported by the author now, but it still works very well.

    I do find problems with some websites whilst using though - ebay has a few problems ... for instance it tends to have some annoying glitches where the filter dropdows don't operate correctly.

    slightly more on-topic: I hate Windows apps that don't conform to the standards. That mostly based on the fact that I work on a pensions admin system that operates in windows but is coded on a non-MS platform. Consequently some of my colleagues tend to make up their user interface as they go along, ignoring the standard MS style. It confuses the users, and it confuses me too. It's a personal bug-bear!

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    Safari was bad on macs, let alone on windows. I never used it when I had a mac as it was clunky and did things in a counter-intuitive way. Always used firefox. On my new vista lappy I am quite enjoying ie7 though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RostokMcSpoons View Post
    slightly more on-topic: I hate Windows apps that don't conform to the standards. That mostly based on the fact that I work on a pensions admin system that operates in windows but is coded on a non-MS platform. Consequently some of my colleagues tend to make up their user interface as they go along, ignoring the standard MS style. It confuses the users, and it confuses me too. It's a personal bug-bear!
    Bingo; we have an accounts system that runs on *NIX on the server, and used to serve a bunch of ugly as **** Wyse terminals. They DO have a Windows front end, but it's an absolute pig to operate; doesn't scale windows properly, doesn't handle fonts properly, the forms are a maze of poorly designed and badly documented commands, doesn't print to Windows printers, doesn't follow the Windows standards for hot keys, navigation of forms by keys is a joke, basically, as I said, a pig. It's being canned, as I suspect will Safari; Jobs can brag about downloads all he wants, but that'll only be because he lumps it in with the QT download; the proof of the pudding'll be actual browsing stats, and I reckon that Safari'll be nowhere.

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    Opera: Right click, Block content click on what you want to block or go to details and add a url like http://*.nastyaddpeople.com/*.

    Safari: Alpha stability with a beta title :/ Doesn't use cleartype, but Apple's OS X anti-aliasing. Looks grey and nasty. Useful for testing for Mac Users. Opera uses a non-standard look by default, but I run in "native". Why can't Safari have that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nichomach View Post
    ...but that'll only be because he lumps it in with the QT download; the proof of the pudding'll be actual browsing stats, and I reckon that Safari'll be nowhere.
    But if safari is included in the QT bundle, it will install and set itself as the default internet browser. A large proportion of iPod users don't have a clue how to change that back so the browsing stats may be quite surprising!

    I tried Safari for about an hour and got so annoyed with the way things were layed out. Opening a tab required way too much effort looking through the menus and the anti ailising on the text is awful...

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    If that happens to a significant degree then i can see Apple getting their knuckles wrapped just like others have done for bundling browsers and installing things by default.

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    I've tried Safari on Windows a few days. Not very happy with it.

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