News - Samsung sues Apple back

[cameronlite]

The only explanation is that they're cheap or can't afford anything better.

You're clearly trying to cause trouble. Can't afford anything better? What about the Samsung Galaxy S - I heard that was pretty good, or the Nexus S...

What you're saying is that the BEST phone is the iPhone, and people would only buy anything else if they are either CHEAP or POOR.

[mrochester]

You're clearly trying to cause trouble. Can't afford anything better? What about the Samsung Galaxy S - I heard that was pretty good, or the Nexus S...

What you're saying is that the BEST phone is the iPhone, and people would only buy anything else if they are either CHEAP or POOR.

I'm making a Tongue in cheek comment to highlight how silly it is to suggest that people only buy Apple products because they are sheep.

[watercooled]

I didn't say people ONLY buy iStuff if they're sheep, I just said it accounts for a lot of their sales, as I explained again a few posts back.

[mrochester]

I didn't say people ONLY buy iStuff if they're sheep, I just said it accounts for a lot of their sales, as I explained again a few posts back.

Which is just as silly a statement as me saying that a lot of Android sales are accounted for by people who can't afford better.

[TooNice]

TBH no, I don't see why so many people turn to Apple products. The only explanation I can think of is the sheep theory. I don't see anything wrong with what Percy said, he's right.

I don't see why people collect stamps, coins, or fine arts. There are a lot of collectors out there, some spending far more on a single item than several Apple products together. Do I care? Not really. Do I focus on negative explanations? Nope, don't see the need.

I can just as much say "I don't see why so many people turn against Apple products. The only explanation I can think of is the sheep theory". And I wonder sometime. Just like there are people who might go with something popular (irrespective of merit) because it is "cool", there are also people who will go out of the way to avoid it (irrespective of merit) because it is "cool" to go against the trend.

But then, I find the sheep argument a cheap way of having a go. You don't see anything wrong what Percy wrote because you see yourself on the same page. Otherwise, you'd see that it's clearly an unsubstantiated statement, just as someone claiming that Apple products are the best thing since sliced bread is well off the mark. Just because neither of you can come up with a positive reason for going Apple, it doesn't mean there isn't one for someone else.

And why is it, you can say something about pretty much any company and get an intelligent discussion without any hateful personal comments but as soon as you say something negative about Apple, you get the Apple crowd coming down on you like a ton of bricks as if their heads are going to explode.

And do you honestly think that his sweeping remarks constitute as "intelligent discussion"? It's about as intelligent as someone coming and claiming that Apple makes the best product ever.

The way I see it is if you put enough intelligent thought into buying something, you'd be much less likely to end up with something Apple - you'd find out the competitors offer something which does more, better, and costs far less. Of course you won't get the sacred Apple badge but some, like myself, will see that as a bonus.

After putting some "intelligent thought", I've come to the conclusion that are no perfect devices given that whereas many criteria can be assessed objectively, plenty others are subjective. Furthermore, each of those criterion may be weighted differently according to individuals. Therefore, no device (Apple or otherwise) is indisputably "better". I also don't care about the badge, and I believe that carrying the "Apple badge" is neither a good thing nor a bad thing (I prefer this stance than one where I am biased for or against).

And perhaps I am reading too much between the lines, but this post seems to imply, on basis that you seem to think there are too many Apple users, that people aren't putting "enough intelligent thought" in their decision process. A tad arrogant IF that were the case.

Seriously chill out! A few truths pointed out aren't going to make Apple disappear any time soon, they've managed behaving like this for long enough so rest assured you will still be able to get the next model of iSomething. If that's not the reason then I don't understand it?

A few truths isn't the issue. Opinion treated as fact is.

And on a scale of 0 to 10 where 0 is where I am chill, and 10 is where I am fuming and banging my head, it's about a 1. This comes not from the fact that people are saying bad things about Apple (I am no stakeholder, and I am sure they'll be fine in the mid-term), but because the sweeping remarks prevents any real constructive debates from taking place. I've had my rant for the months, I know it's not going to change anything, and in the upcoming weeks we'll have half a dozen more Apple related news thread where people will have cheap go at the company / product / users, and sometime next month I'll once again feel the need to point out that the cheap shot / sweeping remarks are no better than the fanboys they complain about.

Rinse and repeat until I get tired of repeating myself eventually.

[3dcandy]

I must admit Apple seem to make compelling ads....dunno why but they make out the iPhone4 is fantastic!

[watercooled]

I don't see why people collect stamps, coins, or fine arts. There are a lot of collectors out there, some spending far more on a single item than several Apple products together. Do I care? Not really. Do I focus on negative explanations? Nope, don't see the need.

I see your point, but I don't personally see Apple stuff as collectable or unique in any way.

I can just as much say "I don't see why so many people turn against Apple products. The only explanation I can think of is the sheep theory". And I wonder sometime. Just like there are people who might go with something popular (irrespective of merit) because it is "cool", there are also people who will go out of the way to avoid it (irrespective of merit) because it is "cool" to go against the trend.

I don't really see how that works since the people I know who dislike Apple do it because they know more about them, and like to make decisions for themselves. I've never been I sheep - I do things my way and unlike most people I'm perfectly happy to say I can't stand football for example. Not so much the game but the way it is now, but that's another story.

But then, I find the sheep argument a cheap way of having a go. You don't see anything wrong what Percy wrote because you see yourself on the same page. Otherwise, you'd see that it's clearly an unsubstantiated statement, just as someone claiming that Apple products are the best thing since sliced bread is well off the mark. Just because neither of you can come up with a positive reason for going Apple, it doesn't mean there isn't one for someone else.

Again you seem to be assuming I'm saying 'everyone who buys Apple is an idiot', I don't know how much plainer I can make myself really. I could think of much cheaper ways of having a go at Apple, but this isn't Youtube and I'd feel sorry for whoever pays the bandwidth bills at Hexus if I did anything of the sort.

And do you honestly think that his sweeping remarks constitute as "intelligent discussion"? It's about as intelligent as someone coming and claiming that Apple makes the best product ever.

I can't see any sweeping remarks I've made? Maybe if you rearrange the words, add a few here and there and interpret it completely differently than I intended and/or assume the worst possible meaning.

After putting some "intelligent thought", I've come to the conclusion that are no perfect devices given that whereas many criteria can be assessed objectively, plenty others are subjective. Furthermore, each of those criterion may be weighted differently according to individuals. Therefore, no device (Apple or otherwise) is indisputably "better". I also don't care about the badge, and I believe that carrying the "Apple badge" is neither a good thing nor a bad thing (I prefer this stance than one where I am biased for or against).

I've not said anything against that? I'm biased against based on what I've said above really. I remain open minded about future Apple products as I have in the past, but I'm yet to be impressed.

And perhaps I am reading too much between the lines, but this post seems to imply, on basis that you seem to think there are too many Apple users, that people aren't putting "enough intelligent thought" in their decision process. A tad arrogant IF that were the case.

Not really deniable based on what I've observed over the years.

A few truths isn't the issue. Opinion treated as fact is.

I'm not claiming any of my opinions are facts.

[/QUOTE]And on a scale of 0 to 10 where 0 is where I am chill, and 10 is where I am fuming and banging my head, it's about a 1. This comes not from the fact that people are saying bad things about Apple (I am no stakeholder, and I am sure they'll be fine in the mid-term), but because the sweeping remarks prevents any real constructive debates from taking place. I've had my rant for the months, I know it's not going to change anything, and in the upcoming weeks we'll have half a dozen more Apple related news thread where people will have cheap go at the company / product / users, and sometime next month I'll once again feel the need to point out that the cheap shot / sweeping remarks are no better than the fanboys they complain about.[/QUOTE]
The fact you have a problem with most of what I've said and the length of the response speaks volumes to me really, and I get the feeling it's a little higher than one. And I'm replying as fully as I can so I don't end up being accused of being ignorant and opening myself up to an ambush of abuse claiming my input is meaningless.

[mrochester]

I don't really see how that works since the people I know who dislike Apple do it because they know more about them, and like to make decisions for themselves. I've never been I sheep - I do things my way and unlike most people I'm perfectly happy to say I can't stand football for example. Not so much the game but the way it is now, but that's another story.

I typically find the opposite, and I think there has been a study on this which found that most people buying Apple products were more informed than those who didn't. For instance, the 'sheep' like action would be to buy a Windows PC, so rather ironically, it's people that are buying Macs who are doing the thinking for themselves. This is why the whole 'sheep' notion just doesn't wash in the slightest.

Also, if the basis of being a 'sheep' is simply following what most people are doing, that actually now makes Android the sheep followers platform of choice.

You may as well just stop with this silly notion altogether as no matter how many times you repeat it, it isn't going to become any more factual or realistic than it ever was, and it'll stop us from going around in circles!

[watercooled]

It's a bit different for computers I'll agree - but I think Windows is probably the best choice for the average user for the compatibility and chance of getting support if they need it. Note I'm recommending it over other OSes too, not just Mac! While I'm also a happy Linux user I still think most people are better off going for the mainstream OS they're likely to encounter elsewhere. But the consensus (again from what I've personally observed) is that Mac computers/laptops carry some sort of prestige, with little or no reasoning, and the little reasoning usually includes the assumption that Macs are malware-proof.

The difference being most people who buy a phone running Android probably won't even have heard of it or know what it is, they buy the Brandname ModelXR768, not specifically an Android phone.

The majority of what I've said is pretty undeniable really, even those who put on an opposing front will probably agree in some way. I also know what I've said will go around many circles, skimming over the heads of many people. But I'm not agreeing to never mention Apple again, I post equally negative comments about plenty of other products/companies, I don't see why I should avoid giving my opinion on Apple every now and then to avoid angering the hordes? In this case I was angered by Apple off on another suing run, then amused by the irony of the counter-sue and the stupidity of what they've done really.

[mrochester]

The majority of what I've said is pretty undeniable really, even those who put on an opposing front will probably agree in some way. I also know what I've said will go around many circles, skimming over the heads of many people. But I'm not agreeing to never mention Apple again, I post equally negative comments about plenty of other products/companies, I don't see why I should avoid giving my opinion on Apple every now and then to avoid angering the hordes? In this case I was angered by Apple off on another suing run, then amused by the irony of the counter-sue and the stupidity of what they've done really.

Why are you angered by Apple off on 'another suing run'? Do you think it's OK for companies to rip each other off?

[watercooled]

Not at all, but Apple are a bit hypocritical doing so don't you think?
Anyway, happy Easter.

[mrochester]

Not at all, but Apple are a bit hypocritical doing so don't you think?
Anyway, happy Easter.

Happy easter to you too! A bit hypocritical, how so?

[watercooled]

I just mean how they infringe on other patents and think they can get away with it, then Samsung essentially rounds a few corners on their phones which warrants a lawsuit from Apple. I also think it's pretty amusing how they really didn't think the whole thing through, the last person you want to sue is someone who by rights can sue you in return for a heck of a lot more.

[mrochester]

I just mean how they infringe on other patents and think they can get away with it, then Samsung essentially rounds a few corners on their phones which warrants a lawsuit from Apple. I also think it's pretty amusing how they really didn't think the whole thing through, the last person you want to sue is someone who by rights can sue you in return for a heck of a lot more.

I think it's fairly safe to assume that Apple have very much thought this through, and that they know a lot more about it than you do. And where do you get this idea that Apple can 'get away with it'?

[Hicks12]

Apple werent the first to do a iphone type style though thats what makes it silly, my lg renoir had curved edges? Come to think of it 90% of my phones have had rounded edges and has a button near the middle lol.

Just saw another apple ad, it was the one basically says " If you dont have an Iphone you dont have ibooks, with ibooks you can read books and buy books, if you dont have an iphone....... well you dont have an iphone" I laughed as Amazon does a much better online book store and their app is probably better, the last part of the advert had a long pause so its hinting at the fact of being **** without one, i also find it funny how all the time their adverts are shortened so makes it look better .

Another "it just works" thing, i know alot of people who had their iphones/ipod wiped from syncing on pc or something? My mate had an almost full ipod classic (over 100GB music) wiped, i laughed a lot ... my music players never done that neither have my phones.

Now for the sheep theory, windows is quite a good all rounder and compatibility is the best out of the bunch so its a lot less sheep like, theres so many more pros/advantages to using windows than competition. I use windows simply because i do a lot of work with visual studio and need internet explorer for testing, if i bought a mac (id have no money or loan left!) i wouldnt be able to run it, same as linux unless i run it in a virtual box which isnt very nice to use
When you compare it to say phones its silly as the ios does nothing special compared to android/wp7/wm, sure they do have some pros over the competition but no specific requirements for using ios afaik.

Also ill admit im biased towards the anything against apple, but i will give them massive credit for being able to market average tech to the general public and make it feel/seem like its amazing, its amazing that they can sell crap loads of them... every company would love to do that so i still cant believe they get away with it (in a good way ofc) also i love how they make things look simple in terms of style and everyone loves it (whites nice but i prefer black in similar style).

but really the one thing that gets me on the other side of the fence is the fact they somehow manage to get people thinking how everything they do is first and never done before... like touchscreen, HTC were the first company to do touchscreen phones iirc, making the palm phone and xda phones etc all with touchscreen so its wasnt new when apple did it but most apple users seem to think it is?. And i love the fact some people think my htc hd2 looks fairly similar to the iphone 4 (they actually asked if it was an iphone lawl) even though my hd2 was out before the iphone 4 so again its apple changing their design/style and yet everyone thinks they invented it and now the design is "Cool" so people like it.

[mrochester]

But Apple aren't suing every touchscreen phone manufacturer, they are specifically targeting the Samsung Galaxy Line of phones for mimicking the appearance of the iPhone (both physically and in the OS design) so someone else having made a touchscreen beforehand is irrelevant.