News - Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 banned from Europe

[dangel]

It's Samsung's dreadful take on an iTunes like client, but much much more

Then it must be terrible given that baseline. What did you find so bad about it exactly out of interest?

I take it that you're only defence of iTunes is based on your own experience (which you admit is "slow and buggy") - see previous post.

[mrochester]

Then it must be terrible given that baseline. What did you find so bad about it exactly out of interest?

I take it that you're only defence of iTunes is based on your own experience (which you admit is "slow and buggy") - see previous post.

Well of course it's my own experience. Who elses experience is it going to be?

Kies is incredibly slow, all of the time. It also doesn't always detect the connected phone, and is frequently unresponsive.

Zune is definitely the fastest, most responsive and least buggy sync client I've found.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

This is very interesting:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/15/app...g-as-in-false/

[cameronlite]

I HATE Samsung Kies - it's soooooo slow and I'm running a sodding Force 3 SSD.

Fortunately with all the other ways to sync to my Android I'm not forced to use the crappy itunes. Oh sorry, I meant Kies

[aidanjt]

This is very interesting:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/15/app...g-as-in-false/

Why am I not surprised? Also, shame on the German legal system for prosecuting without representation.

[mrochester]

I HATE Samsung Kies - it's soooooo slow and I'm running a sodding Force 3 SSD.

Fortunately with all the other ways to sync to my Android I'm not forced to use the crappy itunes. Oh sorry, I meant Kies

And it's a good job iTunes isn't anywhere near as crappy as Kies, so it doesn't really matter whether you have to use it

For the sake of fairness I have just tried DoubleTwist and it managed to be slower than iTunes because a process called 'Transcode.server.exe' was consuming 100% of one core. It also appears to lack the ability to alter the folders it watches for content (other than allowing you to add them; you then can't remove them) which seems like a bizarre ommission for a media syncing programme. Otherwise, the interface is very clear with a nice minimalist style. The Android Market section was a bit bust with a number of "500 internal server errors" when clicking through to see the details of an app. I don't see anything drastically different to iTunes.

[Unique]

You just said that every other tablet was inferior to the iPad because the iPad is the 'real thing'.

How is the iPad the real thing again?

Have the last 4 pages not provided any evidence to suggest that the iPad wasn't the first tablet out and therefore can't be the real thing (regarding everything else as cheap copies).

it doesn't sound like you've read anything i've posted. i didn't say anything like that at all

i've made it very clear ipad wasn't the first tablet and apple doesn't appear to have been the first to make anything they've done

[kopite]

This is very interesting:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/15/app...g-as-in-false/

if that's the case then shouldn't the case be thrown straight out and apple be done for falsifying evidence?

I was messing with a Galaxy tab the other night in the trafford centre and its a nice looking piece of kit I just cant see how I`d get use out of any tablet really

[Moby-Dick]

And it's a good job iTunes isn't anywhere near as crappy as Kies, so it doesn't really matter whether you have to use it

For the sake of fairness I have just tried DoubleTwist and it managed to be slower than iTunes because a process called 'Transcode.server.exe' was consuming 100% of one core.

Sounds like it was Transcoding something - ie converting from one format to another on the fly - what were you attempting to do with it ?

[dangel]

Why am I not surprised? Also, shame on the German legal system for prosecuting without representation.

The reason Apple went for a court in Germany is because it's very easy to get this sort of thing by - the fact they did so with what can only be described as 'tampering' stinks. It'll be interesting to see this one play out in light of this.

Well of course it's my own experience.

Your tolerance for bad software is a lot higher than mine obviously - me I'd replace "buggy and slow" in a heartbeat.

[mrochester]

Sounds like it was Transcoding something - ie converting from one format to another on the fly - what were you attempting to do with it ?

I wasn't doing anything, I simply started up the program.

Your tolerance for bad software is a lot higher than mine obviously - me I'd replace "buggy and slow" in a heartbeat.

I think if I had such little tolerance I would end up not using a computer as I haven't found any bit of software that works perfectly all of the time!

[Moby-Dick]

It could have been doing a background conversion , or it could have been just a bug

[dangel]

I think if I had such little tolerance I would end up not using a computer as I haven't found any bit of software that works perfectly all of the time!

meh, point missed but neer mind..

It could have been doing a background conversion , or it could have been just a bug

More than likely the former, I've got it installed but had no problems. Upon install (and first time start) it will scan for (and process) music on your PC - seeing as he (presumably) had iTunes installed and therefore a large library some processing would be expected. By default it will scan the iTunes library and the WMP library for new files on start - both of which can be disabled in the preferences. First start will always be cpu intensive therefore and tail off thereafter.

[mrochester]

meh, point missed but neer mind..

Was your point not that if you came across that had any slow down or bugs you'd change it in a heartbeat? And my counter point was that if I had such low tolerance levels I wouldn't have any software because I haven't come across any software that's bug or error free.

More than likely the former, I've got it installed but had no problems. Upon install (and first time start) it will scan for (and process) music on your PC - seeing as he (presumably) had iTunes installed and therefore a large library some processing would be expected. By default it will scan the iTunes library and the WMP library for new files on start - both of which can be disabled in the preferences. First start will always be cpu intensive therefore and tail off thereafter.

It had already added all the content to the library. It was still churning away after about 20mins of being up and running so I just removed it again as a bad job.

[crossy]

I would have thought that anyone buying an iPhone would likely already have a PC to use it with, or already have iTunes installed and/or purchased music, so I fail to see how not needing iTunes is a huge advantage. It might be a bit slow and clunky at times (note to Apple, please streamline this), but plugging in your iPhone to copy over your music collection is no more/less inconvenient than plugging in your Android device to do exactly the same thing. I'd argue that the iPhone approach is actually simpler because it does this all automatically whereas the Android device would require you to hunt down your music collection and copy the folders across manually.

Erm, first of we're supposed to be talking about tablets, not phones. Secondly, you can just-copy-folders, or allow WMP MTP mode to do it for you - heck you can even setup playlists and sync those. Not that I've done that with my 'droid tablet - it seems a little daft to use that for music (crappy speakers common to ALL tablets) when I've got a perfectly serviceable iPod 5G or Sony A-series digital Walkman.

By the way all - that was an interesting iTunes discussion!

I am part if that rare breed too, I use Amarok on a Linux box to transfer mpr tracks to my Ipod mini. There are other open source programs (or apps to use the current buzzword) to trnsfer content to later devices. Itunes though does seem to work better on the OS it was designed for than it does on windows.

Amarok? Geek!
Actually you're right - it's pretty good. Although there's arguably (?) quite a few respectible media organisers out there for Linux. Nice to hear that iTunes is better on Mac than Windows - although not exactly unexpected.

Going off-topic - the worst iTunes competitor I found was "Mufin" from Magix. I got a free copy and it lasted about 15 minutes - it got hurriedly removed when it started to (unprompted) decided to reorganise my carefully arranged artist/album directory structure into something demented of it's own choosing. Thank the maker that I had a recent backup! Oh, and it was supposed to do something clever with catagorising your music - I never saw any evidence of that - iTunes/WMP made it look pretty darned dumb.

Kopite: like you I was pretty dismissive of the tablet - yet another fad for the sheep to queue up for. I've had mine for about a month and it's mainly used for quick internet access, video watching and game playing, although I'm also using it for some netbook type stuff - writing documents, doing spreadsheets etc. Yes, a games console or DS does games better (although the larger screen is a real plus), a proper netbook would probably do docs better (cut'n'paste in Honeycomb is just nasty with my sausage fingers) - but the tablet is able to do all of these in a single device.

I'd say that they're still waiting for the "killer app" - but if I could get an Ethernet dongle/connection for mine, then I'd have a darn good jack-of-all-trades. Tablets are thinner/lighter than netbooks, with (slightly?) longer battery lives, so they're good for server maintenance (would be "ideal" if I could get a wired connection!) - able to log in remotely and how many manuals can you carry on a 32GB uSD card? A lot!

[Unique]

I'd say that they're still waiting for the "killer app" - but if I could get an Ethernet dongle/connection for mine, then I'd have a darn good jack-of-all-trades. Tablets are thinner/lighter than netbooks, with (slightly?) longer battery lives, so they're good for server maintenance (would be "ideal" if I could get a wired connection!) - able to log in remotely and how many manuals can you carry on a 32GB uSD card? A lot!

remote access is what i'd like a tablet for. it's nice doing it on my iphone, but it's not as easy to use as a netbook or laptop as the screen is too small. likewise websurfing isn't so nice on a phone due to screen size. i have a netbook a couple of laptops of different sizes, but it's not so easy using a netbook or laptop on the bus on on the move. on the train is fine, i'm not sure about the tube. plus in the office you can have it in an open drawer

also with more pdfs of magazines coming out you could flick through them on the bus/tube. i think magazines are better suited to ereaders than books as they are more disposible in the flick through nature, and many people like myself find it hard to concentrate properly during travel enough to read a book, but can listen to music and flick through papers or websites or magazines that aren't so attention grabbing