News - Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 banned from Europe

[Unique]

READ THE POST BEFORE ANSWERING NEXT TIME!!

Many of the tablets are from well known companies who displayed the designs BEFORE APPLE even ANNOUNCED let alone DISPLAYED the iPAD design.

On top of this your prior arguments are irrelevant as it means these designs were not copied from Apple but were produced independently. The whole crux of Apple's argument is the"they copied us" mantra.

Want to see how "original" the iPad design is??

Original iPad patent drawings.



Tablet in 2001:A Space Odyssey which was made in 1968. But before the film was shown to the public, people made designs for the film you know!!



I have worked in science and it is not un-heard of for similar discoveries and inventions to be made independently of each other within a short period. If you have multiple teams working on the same problem then in many cases this can happen.



Its nothing but classic flip-flop TBH. I even know mates who own Apple products who agree with the sentiment Apple are taking the mickey.

i did read your post and the link, thus the reply. did you read it yourself and checked the dates?

apple were working on the ipad before the iphone. rumours of the ipad were around for a long time before it was announced, so pretty easy for other quick bandwagon jumpers to make tablets. did you notice how the other early tablets looked less like the ipad than current tablets? because they didn't have anything firm to copy from, but they copied the idea of tablets, as before the apple rumours few people wanted to make them

so just because they came out first doesn't mean apple don't hold patents

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

i did read your post and the link, thus the reply. did you read it yourself and checked the dates?
apple were working on the ipad before the iphone. rumours of the ipad were around for a long time before it was announced, so pretty easy for other quick bandwagon jumpers to make tablets. did you notice how the other early tablets looked less like the ipad than current tablets? because they didn't have anything firm to copy from, but they copied the idea of tablets, as before the apple rumours few people wanted to make them

so just because they came out first doesn't mean apple don't hold patents

Fail.

[cameronlite]

i did read your post and the link, thus the reply. did you read it yourself and checked the dates?

apple were working on the ipad before the iphone. rumours of the ipad were around for a long time before it was announced, so pretty easy for other quick bandwagon jumpers to make tablets. did you notice how the other early tablets looked less like the ipad than current tablets? because they didn't have anything firm to copy from, but they copied the idea of tablets, as before the apple rumours few people wanted to make them

so just because they came out first doesn't mean apple don't hold patents

This is simply invalid. Just because there were rumours of the ipad doesn't mean people copied the idea of tablets. Microsoft made tablets, so people couldn't possibly have copied the 'idea' of tablets from a rumour that Apple were going to make one.

The term tablet (with reference to tablet computing) was coined in 2002 when Microsoft released the first capable digital pen devices.

[crossy]

but the designers aren't given a lego set and asked to make something. the restrictions would be budgetary rather than using specific components, and it's not like the inside parts will be the same, it's more the external look and the way they work that's the problem for apple. in fact the ipad copies sometimes have better technical specs, more ram or faster processor but you can't tell that by looking t them

I didn't say that they were given a lego set - merely that there's only a limited number of suitable components. For example, check out the list of processors used in the tablets and you'll notice that it's pretty much an ARM-only deal (Snapdragon, etc). Likewise with screens, RAM, (flash) storage, camera modules, etc.

Next, PLEASE STOP calling anything that's not an iPad an "iPad clone" - at least unless you've got proof that the other companies did actually copy the iPad... In which case do you not think that Apple would be launching a broadside of writs? They aren't, (merely persecuting Samsung and latterly Motorola), so I'll gently suggest that this is because there's no case to answer.

Check out the pics that Cat-The-Fifth has kindly put in - these show "prior art" for the basic design. As he says:

Many of the tablets are from well known companies who displayed the designs BEFORE APPLE even ANNOUNCED let alone DISPLAYED the iPAD design. On top of this your prior arguments are irrelevant as it means these designs were not copied from Apple but were produced independently. The whole crux of Apple's argument is the"they copied us" mantra.

I couldn't sum it up better!

So, by all means give Apple credit where it's due - they certainly deserve it for not trying to shoehorn a desktop OS into their tablets, and for their superb promotion of the genre. And there's other phone-related stuff that they've carried over (like the simple method to add applications) that also deserve fulsome praise. Yay Apple!


However, they did not "invent" the modern tablet form factor. The fact that they appear to be trying to claim they did is mendacity, if not down right evil (although they're still less evil than Oracle imho) in my book.

[Agent]

i did read your post and the link, thus the reply. did you read it yourself and checked the dates?

apple were working on the ipad before the iphone. rumours of the ipad were around for a long time before it was announced, so pretty easy for other quick bandwagon jumpers to make tablets. did you notice how the other early tablets looked less like the ipad than current tablets? because they didn't have anything firm to copy from, but they copied the idea of tablets, as before the apple rumours few people wanted to make them

so just because they came out first doesn't mean apple don't hold patents

I'm not really sure what to add to the guys above Uni, as you clearly haven't read Cats post or answered the points he makes.

If Apple were working on the iPad before the iPad is irrelevant. The pad based format has been around as an idea for almost as long as home computers themselves through either (what appears to be now) crazy prototypes or in science fiction (A Space Odyssey, Star Trek and so on)

Heck, my Palm (and other PDAs) computer used to do most of what the iPad can in terms of features: Touch screen, installable apps, network access (through serial ) and so on....the iPad is nothing more than a faster more up to date version of old ideas.

The iPad is nothing special in terms of its tech, it just does certain tasks well for a specific set of people. The ban on the SGT is seriously worrying for the future of computing development. What's more worrying though is that Apple have got themselves in a position where people are people are willing to defend their actions. That's almost religious like in nature and is far more dangerous than people are giving credit to.

[aidanjt]

What they're essentially trying to do here, is pass off a form factor as an invention. Imagine if Intel tried to patent ATX, or Ford patented the wheel.. OMG HONDA LIKE TOTALLY RIPPED OFF OUR WHEEL DESIGN!!1!.. It's ridiculous. Companies should absolutely not be granted a patent on a product type.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

What they're essentially trying to do here, is pass off a form factor as an invention. Imagine if Intel tried to patent ATX, or Ford patented the wheel.. OMG HONDA LIKE TOTALLY RIPPED OFF OUR WHEEL DESIGN!!1!.. It's ridiculous. Companies should absolutely not be granted a patent on a product type.

I think the governments of Iraq and the Republic of Dagestan will be having a word with Ford and Honda very soon. Their people had the wheel in development for at least 4000 years. It was so secret you need archaeologists to find the original documents too!! Everyone else has copied their hard work,the ungrateful gits!! Time to pay up!!

Edit!!

OMG!!

Apple just bought the Republic of Dagestan!!

They don't want to license the round design too!!

Looks like everyone will need to switch to square wheels now. Hexagonal wheels are not allowed as they look too similar to round wheels.

[usxhe190]

I just saw the design patent of Apple. First reaction is - you can argue any bloody thing looks like that. Second reaction, if you want to look closely and the actual design, the Samsung device doesn't like the one in the patent anyways.

This is ridiculous. I would like some competition in the tablet market please so we get more improvements!

[cameronlite]

I think the governments of Iraq and the Republic of Dagestan will be having a word with Ford and Honda very soon. Their people had the wheel in development for at least 4000 years. It was so secret you need archaeologists to find the original documents too!! Everyone else has copied their hard work,the ungrateful gits!! Time to pay up!!

Edit!!

OMG!!

Apple just bought the Republic of Dagestan!!

They don't want to license the round design too!!

Looks like everyone will need to switch to square wheels now. Hexagonal wheels are not allowed as they look too similar to round wheels.

I assume they'll also be banning the hexagonal nuts that hold the square wheels on as well?

[Agent]

I assume they'll also be banning the hexagonal nuts that hold the square wheels on as well?

Yep. Turns out the bees have a patent on the shape.

[aidanjt]

I think the governments of Iraq and the Republic of Dagestan will be having a word with Ford and Honda very soon. Their people had the wheel in development for at least 4000 years. It was so secret you need archaeologists to find the original documents too!! Everyone else has copied their hard work,the ungrateful gits!! Time to pay up!!

Edit!!

OMG!!

Apple just bought the Republic of Dagestan!!

They don't want to license the round design too!!

Looks like everyone will need to switch to square wheels now. Hexagonal wheels are not allowed as they look too similar to round wheels.

Yup. It's official, Moses and God conspired to ripped off Apple.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I assume they'll also be banning the hexagonal nuts that hold the square wheels on as well?

Yep. Turns out the bees have a patent on the shape.

Clever organisms those bees!! They made a bee-line to the patents office right after the creator gave them the divine inspiration.

Yup. It's official, Moses and God conspired to ripped off Apple.

Be careful, I heard that Apple is trying to patent the words Moses and God. The news on the grapevine is that Steve Jobs wants exclusive access to those words and these were in development by Apple since +1 seconds after the big bang using an advanced time manipulation device(Apple TM). It seems Steve Jobs went back in time to that point so he could get some peace and quiet and thought of the words. Actually,he thought of some words but they got there in the end.

There are grounds for Apple to patent words since Steve Jobs technically thought of the first ones at +1 seconds after the big bang. Bill Gates tried to out-do him but Windows is crap and he got there 1.00000000000006767868 seconds after the big bang. He thought of a single word too.

OM(All powerful being formally known as God but now we cannot use it since the word is patented)!!

[Unique]

I'm not really sure what to add to the guys above Uni, as you clearly haven't read Cats post or answered the points he makes.

If Apple were working on the iPad before the iPad is irrelevant. The pad based format has been around as an idea for almost as long as home computers themselves through either (what appears to be now) crazy prototypes or in science fiction (A Space Odyssey, Star Trek and so on)

Heck, my Palm (and other PDAs) computer used to do most of what the iPad can in terms of features: Touch screen, installable apps, network access (through serial ) and so on....the iPad is nothing more than a faster more up to date version of old ideas.

The iPad is nothing special in terms of its tech, it just does certain tasks well for a specific set of people. The ban on the SGT is seriously worrying for the future of computing development. What's more worrying though is that Apple have got themselves in a position where people are people are willing to defend their actions. That's almost religious like in nature and is far more dangerous than people are giving credit to.

i actually read it in great detail, thus my post

as far as i'm concerned, those guys jumped on the bandwagon when they heard the rumours apple were making a tablet. you may remember so many years back those rumours were around for a while before ipad was announced, nevermind launched. so other companies had time to come out with a competiting device, and as you can see they vary from the ipad. yet since the ipad came out, almost all the competiting devices look like ipad clones rather than have their own identity like the pre ipad models. sure ipad wasn't a new idea, just the same as the ipod, but they made the market. the previous market was tiny but apple persuaded people to want to buy something they didn't need or want before

i don't think it's such a worrying problem if you consider what we have now. we don't have cheap ipad clones. we have cheap crap or we have clones that are the same price or similar. most people either want the original device, want a cheap copy or want a better alternative. the alternatives don't really fit into those categories. samsungs tablet is the same price as the entry level ipad as it turns out, and doesn't really give consumers any real advantage over ipad. had it been half the price for the exact same thing, then they would have a niche, but who wants to splash so much money on a copy of a device?

there have been tablets in the past and they were very different to ipad, so apple changed the genre a fair bit. i saw a dell the other day that was closer to the old tablets in that it was a laptop with a reversable display and touch screen. i also saw a thicker tablet that had no keyboard but ran win7 and linux, which sounded pretty cool but apparently wasn't that great to use. for £400 you should be able to expect a windows based tablet that works well. and if someone can come up with that, it could potentially be an ipad killer, as it would run all existing applications

i just don't understand why microsoft (EDIT - put apple by mistake previsouly!) haven't waded into the tablet market and made a big splash. same with the smartphone market. they managed to wade into the games console market and become neck in neck if not leader compared to the playstation, so with all their might why can't they do it with tablets? even if they only create the software like android, surely they could create systems that manufacturers want to use

[miniyazz]

i actually read it in great detail, thus my post

as far as i'm concerned, those guys jumped on the bandwagon when they heard the rumours apple were making a tablet. you may remember so many years back those rumours were around for a while before ipad was announced, nevermind launched. so other companies had time to come out with a competiting device, and as you can see they vary from the ipad. yet since the ipad came out, almost all the competiting devices look like ipad clones rather than have their own identity like the pre ipad models. sure ipad wasn't a new idea, just the same as the ipod, but they made the market. the previous market was tiny but apple persuaded people to want to buy something they didn't need or want before

i don't think it's such a worrying problem if you consider what we have now. we don't have cheap ipad clones. we have cheap crap or we have clones that are the same price or similar. most people either want the original device, want a cheap copy or want a better alternative. the alternatives don't really fit into those categories. samsungs tablet is the same price as the entry level ipad as it turns out, and doesn't really give consumers any real advantage over ipad. had it been half the price for the exact same thing, then they would have a niche, but who wants to splash so much money on a copy of a device?

there have been tablets in the past and they were very different to ipad, so apple changed the genre a fair bit. i saw a dell the other day that was closer to the old tablets in that it was a laptop with a reversable display and touch screen. i also saw a thicker tablet that had no keyboard but ran win7 and linux, which sounded pretty cool but apparently wasn't that great to use. for £400 you should be able to expect a windows based tablet that works well. and if someone can come up with that, it could potentially be an ipad killer, as it would run all existing applications

i just don't understand why apple haven't waded into the tablet market and made a big splash. same with the smartphone market. they managed to wade into the games console market and become neck in neck if not leader compared to the playstation, so with all their might why can't they do it with tablets? even if they only create the software like android, surely they could create systems that manufacturers want to use

I would appreciate it if you would stop talking out of your poo-hole. Although I don't particularly expect you to, and equally it is not worth me writing a useful reply since it is not possible to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.

[HalloweenJack]

when will IBM and microsoft weigh in and go after Apple?

IBM had a tablet in the 1990`s (as did RM as well) and of course , microsoft had one about 10 years ago.

edit:

samsung Q1 ultra - on sale early 2007 m using windows xp as the os , and rectangluar , black bezel with buttons and a touch screen

[crossy]

as far as i'm concerned, those guys jumped on the bandwagon when they heard the rumours apple were making a tablet. you may remember so many years back those rumours were around for a while before ipad was announced, nevermind launched. so other companies had time to come out with a competiting device, and as you can see they vary from the ipad. yet since the ipad came out, almost all the competiting devices look like ipad clones rather than have their own identity like the pre ipad models. sure ipad wasn't a new idea, just the same as the ipod, but they made the market. the previous market was tiny but apple persuaded people to want to buy something they didn't need or want before

NO, THEY BL**DY AREN'T CLONES! Please take off the Apple-shaped glasses and actually take a look and you'll see that Iconia != iPad; Transformer != iPad; etc. I will grant that the Galaxy Tab does look a little like the iPad, which is why I wasn't sure that the Apple case is 100% crap. (Maybe 98-99% perhaps?)

i don't think it's such a worrying problem if you consider what we have now. we don't have cheap ipad clones. we have cheap crap or we have clones that are the same price or similar. most people either want the original device, want a cheap copy or want a better alternative. the alternatives don't really fit into those categories. samsungs tablet is the same price as the entry level ipad as it turns out, and doesn't really give consumers any real advantage over ipad. had it been half the price for the exact same thing, then they would have a niche, but who wants to splash so much money on a copy of a device?

He called them 'clones' and 'copies' again - aaaarrrgggghhhhh!
Big advantage of the Galaxy Tab, Iconia, Transformer, etc is that iPad (so I'm told) has to be connected to iTunes at least once to register, (and I'm also told that it needs to do that for firmware updates). The "clones" (as you call them) are quite capable of operating as standalone devices - my Asus has never been connected to my Windows7 PC, (despite me putting the "support" software on it), and it's working just fine - including moving from Android 3.1 to 3.2.

there have been tablets in the past and they were very different to ipad, so apple changed the genre a fair bit. i saw a dell the other day that was closer to the old tablets in that it was a laptop with a reversable display and touch screen. i also saw a thicker tablet that had no keyboard but ran win7 and linux, which sounded pretty cool but apparently wasn't that great to use. for £400 you should be able to expect a windows based tablet that works well. and if someone can come up with that, it could potentially be an ipad killer, as it would run all existing applications

Aye the Dell Inspiron Duo - by the way Dell regard it as a convertable netbook - is very clever, but not a true tablet, they've got the Dell Streak for that. Windows 7 tablet? I'm not convinced - after all we've had Windows tablets in the past, and they've been less than successful. Even BillG has been quoted as saying that...

i just don't understand why microsoft (EDIT - put apple by mistake previsouly!) haven't waded into the tablet market and made a big splash. same with the smartphone market. they managed to wade into the games console market and become neck in neck if not leader compared to the playstation, so with all their might why can't they do it with tablets? even if they only create the software like android, surely they could create systems that manufacturers want to use

Hmm, a valid point. Problem is that - to date at least - Microsoft has insists on putting a tweaked full blown Windows on a tablet. And therein lies the genius of Apple - instead of trying to shoehorn OSX, they put an expanded iOS in there. So maybe, just maybe, we could see a Microsoft tablet in 2-3 years time - this time running an enhanced Windows7-Phone, or maybe even the vaunted "tablet" edition of Windows8, (which seems to be very tablet-friendly from the gen so far). Let's be honest here - Apple managed to do iOS+ for iPad, Google managed to stretch Android for their tablets, so it's inconceivable that Microsoft don't have the "smarts" to do the same. (And I'm a Linux fan, so praising Microsoft doesn't come easy - although Win7 was pretty good).