News - Apple iPhone 5 reveal event is on 12th September

[gantt78]

Hope Apple wouldn't discount us again!

[OilSheikh]

When iPhone 4S came out, they were selling for £800 on eBay! You could just walk to the shop and buy for £500.

This time, I am hogging them all.. hehe

[OilSheikh]

*Sarcasm--

Is that the Samsung Galaxy S5 that Apple is advertising ?

[TooNice]

Personally to me it seems daft to go to for the extreme expense of an iPhone 4S/5 contract for what is in many ways (likely to be) already a compromised device in the light of the competition, so its clear people will do anything just to be 'cool'. Im also not sure when it became 'cool' to be part of the crowd that sticks to the grain and follows the crowd but thats another topic entirely.

Sorry, but the whole "Those who use iPhones are just trying to be cool" assertion is getting pretty old. I can list many reasons why people using iPhones that has nothing to do with "trying to be cool", but I'll doing myself a disservice wasting time spelling it out. Honestly, I think that you are smart enough to realise how unlikely that everyone buying a device is doing it for the same reason, and there are also people "trying to be cool" by going against a *perceived* trend (the battle between iOS and Android is squarely in Android's favour, and even as a device, the Galaxy series has proven to be more than a match).

[Camoxide]

I for one will be looking closely. To be honest, I am not very exciting about what has been rumoured so far. Larger screen, competition has it. More FB integration only worries me. Dropping the tried and tested Google Map also worries me.

But the worst rumour? Nano-SIM. Mobile Network Operators in Japan milk their consumers for all their worth. The cheapest possible contract is over £18 per month, and it is *far* more restricted than what £10 with Giffgaff or the £6.90 3 package. Actually, it's probably far worse than the worst value entry SIM of any UK provider. And if you have a phone that requires a Micro-SIM? Ha! There is one package that is a "mere" £27 a month. If you can live with 1GB of data in 4 months that is (that's 8.33MB per day - better have decent Wi-Fi access if you want to do more than checking your email. I suspect that it doesn't take heavy FB use to tide over). What happens if you go over 1GB within that period of time? You get wacked with £25 for an extra 1GB. If you want something you can "pay and forget", it starts at £50 for micro-sim. You will still be throttled if you go over 1.2GB per month, but at least the billing is flat rate.. unless you use up all 25 of your free min that is. No, I am not missing a zero or two here. For £50, you get a micro-SIM that gives you 1.2GB of unthrottled bandwidth, and 25 free min. After that you get charged for 17p every 30 seconds. And yes, it goes higher yet. To be honest, compared to the £18 package of a regular SIM (which gives 30min and comes with "unlimited" connection @ 100kps - lol) those "high end" micro-SIM packages are an even bigger rip-off.

Sorry for going off on a tangent but my point is, mobile network and really milk smartphone users. And while it is so far possible to get around the high cost by cutting a regular SIM down to micro-SIM size (if you are willing to put up with a slow, albeit "unlimited" connection), rumour is that it might not be feasible with a nano-SIM. In the short term, I could jump ship, but I have to question is to whether the nano-SIM will remain solely on Apple devices.

Nano sim is apparently backwards compatible like Micro sim. Basically just sand your sim card down to the gold connectors...

[Biscuit]

Sorry, but the whole "Those who use iPhones are just trying to be cool" assertion is getting pretty old. I can list many reasons why people using iPhones that has nothing to do with "trying to be cool", but I'll doing myself a disservice wasting time spelling it out. Honestly, I think that you are smart enough to realise how unlikely that everyone buying a device is doing it for the same reason, and there are also people "trying to be cool" by going against a *perceived* trend (the battle between iOS and Android is squarely in Android's favour, and even as a device, the Galaxy series has proven to be more than a match).

It wasn't a comment based out of conjecture, it was based out of observations of a lot of my friends with them. I think you are extremely naive if you think any different. It's the same as mac vs windows, they have created a false impression of superiority and people have bought it. Of course not everyone is exactly the same but in general most want an iphone just because it's an iphone.

I think most people who go for android arent trying to be 'cool' by going against it, i think its more about accepting your not 'cool' if thats what 'cool' is. More likely its about buying a phone that does a lot more and costs a lot less.

I really like the iPhone 4, it is still one of the best built phones out there (nothing feels quite as solid and well put together - and yes I have held the S3).

This very much is opinion, as physically in reality its one of the worst faring phones with regards to robustness, especially given its expense.

I have also recently experimented with Android and whilst it's fun to play with, it just doesn't cut it as high end software and still feels unfinished (again for ME, I am NOT intending to start a debate here)

I have the exact opposite opinion; android has by far surpassed ios with capabilities and usability polish, it might not have quite the same crispness as ios but it's left it in the dust in the most part (as of 4.0 of course). If you dont want people to disagree with you, you shouldn't post

[Sacred]

I don't get it what makes Android so superior to iOS? Having owned both I honestly noticed very few if any major differences that warrent such hatered between the two communities.

My only gripe with Android was the firmware update limitations imposed by my network preventing me from upgrading my phone. Shocking just shocking! But then I am with t-mobile

To be honest I'll probably leave the smartphone market behind, they keep making them bigger and bigger and I already struggle getting my iPhone 4 in my pocket!! I don't want a tablet PC in my pocket thanks!!

Lastly Apple can suck my balls if they think I'm purchasing all new docking stations and accessories to conform with their change in power adapter size!!

[crossy]

I think most people who go for android arent trying to be 'cool' by going against it, i think its more about accepting your not 'cool' if thats what 'cool' is. More likely its about buying a phone that does a lot more and costs a lot less.

I'm going to disagree - all the folks I know who bought an Android phone did so because they wanted that particular device - not being happy with the "you've got a choice of one model" in Apple-land. And as far as Android itself goes - the comments were "it's got a place I can buy apps, so that's what I needed".

Conversely it would appear that in the high school set, having an iPhone (especially a 4 or 4S) marks you as "spoiled" or a "rich kid". That said, it doesn't stop kids being "aspirational" about an iPhone.

I don't get it what makes Android so superior to iOS? Having owned both I honestly noticed very few if any major differences that warrent such hatered between the two communities. My only gripe with Android was the firmware update limitations imposed by my network preventing me from upgrading my phone. Shocking just shocking! But then I am with t-mobile

I personally am not convinced that Android IS "so superior to iOS" (and this from someone who's never owned an iPad or iPhone). Yes, Android is (arguably?) more flexible (because there's less restrictions imposed) and there's wider device choice but that's about it. Conversely I've yet to see any evidence of the supposed "superiority" of iOS5+ v's Android ICS+ - the only points I'll gladly yield are that the iOS media player is better than the stock Android one, and Apple's way of doing updates (bypassing the carrier) is so preferable. Anyway like you, I fail to see any real reason to get all "religious" about one or the other.

Then there's the fan-boys. You get the iFans who look down their noses at anyone else because whatever they've got is "not as good as an iPhone" or "is only a poor copy of an iPhone". On the other hand hardcore Android fans remind me of 60's style hippies - "you're like, such a total sellout for buying an iPhone", "iPhone is corporate greed in your pocket" etc.

[csgohan4]

Why can't people just buy Iphones or androids because they like them and are used to them and leave it at there. Instead of getting their handbags out and saying one is better than the other.

It's like buying a car, no-one cares if you buy a Bently or a skoda, it's important you like it and are comfortable with it. Rather than buying it due to peer pressure or you think it's in fasion, now that would be stupid

[Biscuit]

I don't get it what makes Android so superior to iOS? Having owned both I honestly noticed very few if any major differences that warrent such hatered between the two communities.

My only gripe with Android was the firmware update limitations imposed by my network preventing me from upgrading my phone. Shocking just shocking! But then I am with t-mobile

To be honest I'll probably leave the smartphone market behind, they keep making them bigger and bigger and I already struggle getting my iPhone 4 in my pocket!! I don't want a tablet PC in my pocket thanks!!

Lastly Apple can suck my balls if they think I'm purchasing all new docking stations and accessories to conform with their change in power adapter size!!

I suppose in the greater scheme of things, there isnt anything single which is hugely major, its lots of little things here and there which add up to make a big deal.
I think the great war has been brought about due to apples attitude towards the competition and the general smugness that 90% of iphone owners exert.

Again, its the same as windows vs mac, in reality a lot of the 'features' that apple folk bang on about as loads better... arent at all they are just different and there is a lot of things you can do quite easily on android but you just cant at all on iOS.

I'm going to disagree - all the folks I know who bought an Android phone did so because they wanted that particular device - not being happy with the "you've got a choice of one model" in Apple-land. And as far as Android itself goes - the comments were "it's got a place I can buy apps, so that's what I needed".

Conversely it would appear that in the high school set, having an iPhone (especially a 4 or 4S) marks you as "spoiled" or a "rich kid". That said, it doesn't stop kids being "aspirational" about an iPhone.

So you dont think price comes into it? Im pretty sure it does!
I know a lot of people who would probably buy iphones if they were the same price as android. Most of those are using old Froyo devices and struggle with them, i suspect if they had 4.0 or above they wouldnt be so quick to switch shop.

I personally am not convinced that Android IS "so superior to iOS" (and this from someone who's never owned an iPad or iPhone). Yes, Android is (arguably?) more flexible (because there's less restrictions imposed) and there's wider device choice but that's about it. Conversely I've yet to see any evidence of the supposed "superiority" of iOS5+ v's Android ICS+ - the only points I'll gladly yield are that the iOS media player is better than the stock Android one, and Apple's way of doing updates (bypassing the carrier) is so preferable. Anyway like you, I fail to see any real reason to get all "religious" about one or the other.

Bypassing the carrier is better, but their updates are still pants, often making devices performance rather worse than it was prior to the update. The only devices that get updates right at the moment are the nexus ones IMO but i havent had any huge experience with WP7 really.
I think you would be surprised to find some things that you may be used to doing on an android phone that you simply cant on an iphone due to a combination of the poor multitasking support or lack of inter app integration. I played around with an ipad for a few hours and could easily spot areas that where obviously behind android, and not too many in the other direction.

For me, itunes is a big no no, DRM free music or bust, and i think a lot people will coem to a point in their life where they realize the downfall of using the itunes store and wished they hadnt gone such an easy route.

Then there's the fan-boys. You get the iFans who look down their noses at anyone else because whatever they've got is "not as good as an iPhone" or "is only a poor copy of an iPhone". On the other hand hardcore Android fans remind me of 60's style hippies - "you're like, such a total sellout for buying an iPhone", "iPhone is corporate greed in your pocket" etc.

Well i would say both are really corporate greed, but android tend to be the lesser of two evils given apples approach to the market and competition.

Why can't people just buy Iphones or androids because they like them and are used to them and leave it at there. Instead of getting their handbags out and saying one is better than the other.

It's like buying a car, no-one cares if you buy a Bently or a skoda, it's important you like it and are comfortable with it. Rather than buying it due to peer pressure or you think it's in fasion, now that would be stupid

Well one side will always blame the other for starting the row, i took my side and its whichever one apple isnt on, even if its not android.

[heXuser]

Not much changed from the looks of it, Apple needs something different, people are getting bored with Same old Apple design

[firefistace]

I think alot of Iphone users will jump ship if the nano-SIM is introduced in to the Iphone. Unless theres a cheap network provider

[Spud1]

Biscuit - you are correct it's all my opinion, as are your posts We are entitled to disagree! I know I get carried away sometimes and come over completely in the wrong way, and I apologise for that..I am trying to write my posts in a more constructive manner rather than "This is my opinion, so you are all wrong!".

I would be curious to see some proper unbiased, wide reaching evidence that the iPhone 4 is indeed more unreliable or prone to accidental damage than other similarly priced smartphones/computers (and not the squaretrade one linked in the other thread!) - not that it would change anything.

I don't quite get the problem that some people have with Nano-sims though - can't we just go to our network provider and swap our existing micro-sim with a nano?

Thats what I did when I bought my iPhone 4 - walked straight out of the Apple store into the o2 store, picked up a FREE micro sim and transferred my number. Simple and free.

If I am wrong in this occasion and we're definitely not able to do this then please please prove me wrong before I pre-order an iPhone 5. As much as I would like one based on current information, there is no way I will be taking out a whole new contract for it - too happy with my existing [Truely] Unlimited data £32/mo plan!

Only exception would be if Orange come up with the goods and roll out LTE fast enough..in which case I would look seriously at a new contract. I don't see them having a full UK rollout in time though, but we'll find that out tomorrow at the EverythingEverywhere media event. It is conveniently one day before Apples, so who knows what they will let slip. I am actually more excited about that than the iPhone 5 launch lol.

edit: Actually I just phoned up Orange who confirmed that they will supply me a nano-sim on launch and I can just transfer my number to it..so not sure what the big deal is Adators to use a nano-sim in a "normal" phone can be had for $2 from china (or £3.49 from ebay) if that is the issue.

[Biscuit]

Biscuit - you are correct it's all my opinion, as are your posts We are entitled to disagree! I know I get carried away sometimes and come over completely in the wrong way, and I apologise for that..I am trying to write my posts in a more constructive manner rather than "This is my opinion, so you are all wrong!".

I appreciate that and I'm sure in many ways I'm the same, but the thing is, not everything I say is opinion . For example, It's pretty much undisputed that android is more flexible and cheaper. Obviously saying that makes it superior is opinion but there are very few facts behind the iOS being genuinely better to argue with.

I would be curious to see some proper unbiased, wide reaching evidence that the iPhone 4 is indeed more unreliable or prone to accidental damage than other similarly priced smartphones/computers (and not the squaretrade one linked in the other thread!) - not that it would change anything.

Well the report that iOS apps crash more was forbes... If that was biased I would have assumed it to be the other way!

The issue with reliability is, who else are you going to get the figures from? Insurance companies are the ones with the biggest amount of true to life data. Yeah they might not give us the full story and tell us what they need to so they can charge us more but who else is going to get hundreds of thousands of devices worth of data across a variety of types of people when each one is worth £300–500? Hell, who is gunna do it with more than a couple I am a single basic test?

You're right, it won't change anything, and that's my problem; people don't see the product for what it really is.

[pctech2012]

I'll buy one when they add an old style keypad.

[HalloweenJack]

looks like HTC will get a sales block in the USA on the iphone 5 and ipad 3 thanks to 4g and LTE patents