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    News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    I think this result is a disaster for Nokia and signals the end.

    They have no plans for a new high end phone this year - while Samsung, HTC and Apple are all marching forward with new devices every twelve months.

    Nokia have literally put all their eggs in the basket with the 920 and 820 and the numbers show people are not that interested.

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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    Quote Originally Posted by Brewster0101 View Post
    I think this result is a disaster for Nokia and signals the end.

    They have no plans for a new high end phone this year - while Samsung, HTC and Apple are all marching forward with new devices every twelve months.

    Nokia have literally put all their eggs in the basket with the 920 and 820 and the numbers show people are not that interested.
    Did you read the bit about the July launch?

    I'm guessing that would qualify as 'high end' right?

    The S4 is an odd one as the only new features I saw there are directly relating to software... Except for the IR LED, that is cool.

    What actually is there to do on phones but innovate on software. We're at the stage where the screens are good, the processors fast, the storage fast, the networks a massive bottleneck but that's outside their control.

    Battery Life? Well people say that want that. I get a lot more from my 920 than I do the S3 or when I had an iPhone. But it is heavy, people criticise it for being heavy. Basically consumers have voted with their wallet, they don't want battery life.

    As a result getting their latest and greatest pureview technology out would be a good idea. It would also be unrivaled by anything else, the 808 is still the best phone camera, by miles. If they've been able to optically stabilise that shizzle, then woh, I'll buy one.

    The thing is on this Q last year, sales are up on the high margin devices, its in some ways promising. If they keep that trend going this year, they will be in a much better place come 2014.
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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Did you read the bit about the July launch?


    I'm guessing that would qualify as 'high end' right?
    There are no specs, designs or images of such a device (albeit confirmed). The FT in London seems to be the only place sporting this rumour. I would say that if this was a new flag ship model for Nokia they would have given the public a glimps. I think this will be like the 808, mid range phone with high end camera.
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    The S4 is an odd one as the only new features I saw there are directly relating to software... Except for the IR LED, that is cool.
    1080P screen, bigger screen, new octo core CPU (in some countries)all seem big new features.

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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    Quote Originally Posted by Brewster0101 View Post
    1080P screen, bigger screen, new octo core CPU (in some countries)all seem big new features.
    Really? The only one that is big is the screen. I doubt that the octo core will make it more snappy. But as is I think everyones phone is slowed mostly by the network. If people wanted a phone that felt fast they wouldn't be on Android anyway, seriously, my relegated to testing only Omnia7 is far faster than the S3 for anything but web browsing or task switching.

    Why would anyone pay £400 for it, if they had a S3.

    I also doubt anyone gives a hoot about 1080p.

    The thing that mattered for Samsung is it had a device which looked good, ticked the geek tick boxes and was cheap. Operators got good subsidies and it sold like hot cakes.

    I only mentioned the rumor because it's not really fair to say "well samsung have a S4 out now", because the 920 was released about 6 months after the S3. I don't see how they need to announce a phone now, to compete with the S4. The S4 is using software things which I don't think people will understand. Short of some very good sales displays.

    I would guess the S4 won't even sell as well as the S3 did.
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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Battery Life? Well people say that want that. I get a lot more from my 920 than I do the S3 or when I had an iPhone. But it is heavy, people criticise it for being heavy. Basically consumers have voted with their wallet, they don't want battery life.
    Please show me where there is an option to purchase any top end device with greater battery life... the market simply doesn't have that option so it couldn't possibly have chosen to have less battery life.

    The Motorola RAZR Maxx is the only smart phone that has an extended battery I can find. 1 phone with an extended battery does not provide the market with the luxury of choice you seem to afford it with regards to battery life.

    There is however a company that survives solely on the sale of extended battery replacements for phones, often with bulging cases to accommodate them. How do you explain the survival of such a company if the market doesn't really want extended battery life? Mugen batteries are good but they will make your phone heavier and uglier to accommodate the really large options but they sell.

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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    Quote Originally Posted by Noxvayl View Post
    Please show me where there is an option to purchase any top end device with greater battery life... the market simply doesn't have that option so it couldn't possibly have chosen to have less battery life.
    Look at reviews of the 920. Despite it's battery life been stellar, camera second only to the 808, people complain about the mass.

    Myself I would like a phone that weighed another 80g of battery at least!
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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    Quote Originally Posted by Brewster0101 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Except for the IR LED, that is cool.
    1080P screen, bigger screen, new octo core CPU (in some countries)all seem big new features.
    IR LEDs used to be common on phones back in the day, my old Nokia N900 had one and could act as a universal remote, the only shame was the crap software, if Logitech made their Harmony platform into an app for IR toting phones they should do very well. It's not a "new" feature it's just one that's been dredged up to do the rounds again.

    The new hardware is just incremental upgrades, nice ones, of debatable usefulness but nice. The pixels at that size are so small a good quality 720p screen would probably be more benefit than the high PPI for example. Screen size is all about personal preference... I find >5" is just too big to use comfortably one handed.

    I have to agree most of Samsung's "new" stuff is in their software, the problem is it all sounds like the gimmicky crap that you use once and then have to turn off because it's a bit flaky or does things unexpectedly. At least Samsung and Nokia and others are trying to push boundaries though unlike some who like to rest on their arrogant laurels too much *cough*Apple*cough*.

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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Look at reviews of the 920. Despite it's battery life been stellar, camera second only to the 808, people complain about the mass.

    Myself I would like a phone that weighed another 80g of battery at least!
    Yet the 920 sold better than expected according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_Lumia_920#Sales

    I expect some people to be happy with what they have at the moment, they've gotten used to the low battery life but that doesn't indicate that the market would reject longer battery life phones. The 920 sold well and from what I can tell the RAZR Maxx did as well so we probably aren't in the minority.

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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    Quote Originally Posted by Brewster0101 View Post
    (S3->S4 new features) 1080P screen, bigger screen, new octo core CPU (in some countries)all seem big new features.
    I'm a happy S3 owner and I'm going to say "big whoop" on all of those "features" - 1080p screen's only really useful if you watch a lot of video. Bigger screen can be a mixed blessing - see kingpotnoodle's quote below - it's not just me. And I've yet to see anything that can push the quad core on the S3/Note 10.1 never mind adding another four cores. Not having a go at you - no, instead I'm bitching at Samsung for going all "incremental" again.
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    my relegated to testing only Omnia7 is far faster than the S3 for anything but web browsing or task switching. I don't see how they (Nokia) need to announce a phone now, to compete with the S4. The S4 is using software things which I don't think people will understand. Short of some very good sales displays. I would guess the S4 won't even sell as well as the S3 did.
    If a single core Omnia is "far faster" than an S3 then there's something seriously amiss with that S3. Some could argue that the S4 was launched to take on the iPhone5 and the 920. And yes, I'm going to agree - I don't think the S4 will be the runaway success that the S3 was.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    Look at reviews of the 920. Despite it's battery life been stellar, camera second only to the 808, people complain about the mass. Myself I would like a phone that weighed another 80g of battery at least!
    Ditto - my S3 is too bl**dy light. I'd gladly swap that thinness/lightness for more battery life. Damn you Apple with your continual focus on "thinner=better".
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    Screen size is all about personal preference... I find >5" is just too big to use comfortably one handed. I have to agree most of Samsung's "new" stuff is in their software, the problem is it all sounds like the gimmicky crap that you use once and then have to turn off because it's a bit flaky or does things unexpectedly.
    S3's screen is good enough for me, the old Note was just too big for extended comfort. And yes, a lot of the unique stuff in the S4, (and probably a lot in the S3), is just gimmickry. Then again - jumping to Samsung's defence - those gimmick features do seem to be getting better with every software revision - e.g. S-Voice is almost usable now, but SmartStay is still a waste of time.

    As a self-confessed Nokia fan, the only thing that put me off about the Lumia's was the OS ... there's just still too many "workarounds" and uncertainty for me to be comfortable in switching to it. Maybe Nokia would be better focussing on the low to midrange market instead of the high-end where competition is very fierce. Not that I'm necessarily saying that the 920 isn't capable of punching it's weight with the S3/S4's and iPhone5's - but I suspect that a 920 owner is always going to be on the defensive in that company.

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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    If a single core Omnia is "far faster" than an S3 then there's something seriously amiss with that S3. Some could argue that the S4 was launched to take on the iPhone5 and the 920. And yes, I'm going to agree - I don't think the S4 will be the runaway success that the S3 was.
    No its only general stuff thats faster, things that actually use CPU are obviously slower, ie web surfing or complex games. This is entirely due to the OS, the cheats they use. I don't want to name certain apps, as often they are indie, but they take longer to open from cold. The main things like email and texts are considerably slower on the S3.
    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    As a self-confessed Nokia fan, the only thing that put me off about the Lumia's was the OS ... there's just still too many "workarounds" and uncertainty for me to be comfortable in switching to it. Maybe Nokia would be better focussing on the low to midrange market instead of the high-end where competition is very fierce. Not that I'm necessarily saying that the 920 isn't capable of punching it's weight with the S3/S4's and iPhone5's - but I suspect that a 920 owner is always going to be on the defensive in that company.
    Hah, well I'm lucky enough in a way, I have a 920 an S3 an a few others in my testing drawer! Interestingly I only have an iPad2, I find that *good enough* for testing everything upto an iPhone5. But no one has paid me to do anything on that yet.
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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    If anybody went into a shop today to try and buy a smart phone though, I really really doubt any salesman would point you to Nokia. My experiences recently is that you'd get pointed to Samsung first, Apple second then HTC/Sony etc. with Nokia quite far behind. I've been saying for years now that all this is too little too late for Nokia. Dumbphone sales down, of course they are, but other manufacturers are still selling boatloads of dumbphones. Asha sales down, again others are not struggling. Lumia sales of just over 5 million - S4 presales are in the order of 25 million world wide. I was looking at a phone for a female mate and was actually told in a few shops that Nokia are history, if that's how they are perceived then they will be history
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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    That would be a shame; I'm using a 620 at the moment (I like cheap-ish non-contract smartphones) and so far it's been a great device. I'm getting a 920 for a director here after having shown him WP8 and had a very positive response. Personally, I think Nokia are producing really good devices at the moment, and I would hate to lose them.

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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    I don't think they're bad...but I don't think they're great either, in a nutshell that is Nokia's problem. People choose Samsung over Nokia nearly every time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    People choose Samsung over Nokia nearly every time...
    Perhaps, but I really don't get why; in general, the Lumias I've seen have been better made, WP8 is at least as user-friendly as, if not more so than, Android, even after that's been skinned and customised by Samsung/HTC/whoever. Incidentally, the 920's just pitched up, and I'm still impressed.

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    Re: News - Nokia’s new range said to include a Lumia phablet

    Simple, public perception of Samsung is so much better. Nokia DO NOT excite anybody anymore...
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