bit annoying this. Kavari coming out with steamroller and Anandtech summary sounds promising. Put that on 8 cores and...
sigh. Shame no-one can persuade ARM to design a high-end 8 core design, but I suppose intel would never build it for them at a competitive price
Does AMD own any fabs or does it have to go to Intel too?
Think again. We'll get a Haswell "refresh" and then a new socket for DDR4 and Broadwell.Originally Posted by anselhelm
Nope. As cheesyboy said, it's not a certainty at all. 1150 will be getting a Haswell 'refresh', in other words, probably the exact same die with some clock bumps. Broadwell by and large will not be released on 1150; there's been some rumours around Broadwell-k from a roadmap, but nothing is really known about it. Besides all that Intel have offered a die shrink at best per platform lately and, if you had a decent processor to start with, the 'upgrade' likely won't boost performance much at all.
If however you went from dual to quad for example, you could do that anyway, without the die shrink upgrade path.
Intel makes silcon for Intel. That's about it. They're starting to offer excess fab capacity to non-competing companies like Altera - it costs a lot of money to keep a fab running if you're not producing anything on it, so it makes sense for them financially.
AMD fab most of their CPUs with GlobalFoundries, which is a spinoff from AMD itself, and also acquired fabs from Chartered Semiconductor.
ARM chips are made at any number of fabs, among the biggest are TSMC, GloFo and Samsung, but no AP SoCs are made by Intel to my knowledge (however they do silently fab ARM cores as part of some of their products).
Right now ARM don't make any high performance processors. Amusingly, AMD will be one of the first with 8 core 64-bit ARM cpus when they do come out though
http://www.electronicsweekly.com/new...m-amd-2013-10/
That isn't going to be a cheap consumer part though, not with a 10Gbit interface on it anyway. Mind you, it might have a 1Gbit interface on there as well that consumers could use.
Saw this which is what made me wonder: http://hexus.net/business/news/compo...ore-arm-chips/
interesting to read in your link that As well as Hierofalcon, AMD is bringing out three x86-based 64-bit processors for the embedded market called Bald Eagle, Steppe Eagle and Adelaar.Right now ARM don't make any high performance processors. Amusingly, AMD will be one of the first with 8 core 64-bit ARM cpus when they do come out though
http://www.electronicsweekly.com/new...m-amd-2013-10/
That isn't going to be a cheap consumer part though, not with a 10Gbit interface on it anyway. Mind you, it might have a 1Gbit interface on there as well that consumers could use.
Bald Eagle – for digital signage and gaming – uses up to four Steamroller cores; Steppe Eagle is the low power offering using the Jaguar core; Adelaar is for graphics.
- See more at: http://www.electronicsweekly.com/new....WClxrbk1.dpuf
That is a rather odd part, Altera make programmable logic but some parts come with a CPU hard cell included.
Also that is an A53 part, the low performance compact 64 bit ARM core. Intel may have drawn the line at a higher spec core being made in their fabs
As DanceswithUnix said, that's not a usual ARM SoC. Like I said earlier, Intel have already been making parts for Altera, this is a part that happens to have an ARM IP core on it. But it in no way competes with Intel's market.
And it really isn't the massive news it's made out to be TBH - firstly it doesn't really change anything in the marketplace, secondly, as I also said earlier, Intel have actually been fabbing ARM cores as part of their own products for ages now, for example baseband modems.
I think the AM3+ has probably got all the use out of it now. 2015 will no doubt bring a new socket and no doubt new chipset.
I quite like this from AMD. Upto 2015 will see lots of jumps in technology and saves AMD crawling along throwing out endless updates of chipsets
to keep up. In 2014, hopefully we will see a new up to date chipset with tons of USB 3, DDR4, PCI express 3 etc etc.
2015 is not that far away. Don't see much happening in the next 12 months regarding CPU's and the desktop.
or will Kavari +mantel be where it's at?
Sorry, either I've got confused or what you're saying doesn't make sense. You're saying 2015 for a new socket (AM4?) with new chipset, but you're also saying a DDR4 new chipset perhaps next year?
What's the point of launching a new chipset with a lifespan of a year or less? Plus I would have thought it most unlikely that DDR4 support would be retrofitted to an AM3+ socket. From what little I've read of that tech you really need proper cpu support too - so that's the usual upgraders combo of new cpu + new motherboard (/chipset) + new memory.
In the meantime, AMD's having to slouch along with last years parts being their top end for two years - there's already been a lot of comment that a 8320/8350 is second best v's i7 and even some i5's, (heavily dependant on what app is your main use).
No, far more sensible to (quietly?) launch something in the next month or two that's effectively an "8300+ series" - to carry them through 2014 to a whole new architecture (as you say USB3/PCI3/DDR4) in 2015. That timeframe squares with comments from the memory suppliers (Crucial, Kingston, etc) that DDR4 will launch "soon" but will be destined purely for servers, with desktop use probably for 2015.
I can pretty much guarantee that Chipzilla will have a DDR4 setup for then, so it'd make sense for AMD to match them - in which case your 2015 timeframe for the next gen is probably right. So if there is an AMD DDR4 setup launched next year then it'll be for the server manufacturers, not us desktop enthusiasts.
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Well it makes no sense for a relatively small company(Intel has 11 times the number of personal AMD Has) to be launching a new FX platform with DDR4 coming out in 2015. Moreover,the FX and Phenom II CPUs only make up around 25% of total AMD CPU sales.
If you look at the server roadmap,AMD is releasing Warsaw,which is basically an improved version of the current Opteron with improved performance per watt. Hence,I expect there will faster versions of the current FX CPUs with improved performance per watt launched in the next year. One of the things Richland brought along was improved Turbo Core for example. People have to also consider that for desktop,Haswell is going to be around until 2015 in one form or another. Broadwell is focussed more towards the mobile arena.
Regarding the FX8320 and FX8350,Mantle is there for a reason.
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The socket has to change for DDR4, that comes from the CPU. The chipset has nothing to do with the type of ram though, they could have updated that by now on AM3+ and it is getting very long in the tooth.
I am worried that whilst Mantle may supposedly help AMD FX cpus in current use, if the GPU becomes the bottleneck then crossfire may start looking tempting to people. Perhaps the 8350 can still put up a good fight with crossfire, but the 990 chipset won't as it doesn't have PCIe 3.
AMD wanted a new socket for Bulldozer, but hacked it onto AM3+ instead as motherboard vendors didn't want to make new motherboard designs. Even on the existing socket, I would have hoped they could do a new chipset with more modern features on it.
A long time back there was talk of unused IO on Bulldozer, didn't see any further talk or confirmation though: http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=1662429
Firstly,socket 1150 only has 16 lanes of PCI-E 3.0 available. In Crossfire or SLI setups that is a pair of 8 PCI-E 3.0 lane clusters available. The 990FX has 32+ PCI-E 2.0 lanes available so it is actually no different in PCI-E speed in dual card setups.
AM3+ might be old but it has things like SATA3.0 and USB3.0 already so in reality for the market AMD is targeting it is good enough for the next year. Making and validating new chipsets costs time and money,and the fact is people with existing motherboards would rather prefer to upgrade than buy now. Its not really worth it as again AMD is 1/11 the size of Intel and the latter has the sales volume to justify yearly upgrades. AMD does not if APUs made up 75% of all their CPU sales a year ago. It probably is even a larger percentage now.
The only modern feature that AMD lacks on the platform is PCI-E 3.0 TBH. Even with the CPUs,its going to be Haswell against Piledriver and Steamroller on desktop. Hence,in reality AMD is probably slightly in a better situation than in the last few months. Broadwell desktop I expect will be mostly for embedded parts that Apple will use for their iMacs.
Even for single card setups,I doubt PCI-E 3.0 is going to be that important in the next year. Even then some companies can make bodges to accommodate that need on existing AMD platforms.
At the lower level,FM2+ will gain PCI-E 3.0 with Kaveri anyway.
I would rather that AMD puts as much resources towards Excavator as possible and the infrastructure around it and do a decent job. Trying to do four different platforms at once is probably too much for a company of their size(Jaguar,FM,AM and server) so they need to get down to three ,and hopefully in 2015 that can happen. If we are lucky perhaps by then GF will have its 20NM node actually working(a big maybe).
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 20-11-2013 at 11:44 AM.
Yes, and for things that make use of it Mantle will help, but don't things have to be scripted with it in mind? If so there will be other areas it won't make a difference with. A lot of the current benchmarks won't suddenly improve with mantle. Unless I've misunderstood what mantle is and how it works...
AMD could release an AM3+ 8 core kevari - with the igp part disabled for gfx duty but could be used for FPU work?
edit:
asus released an AM3+ board with PCIE 3.0
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