News - More features of upcoming AMD Kaveri APU shown in leaked slide

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CPU and graphics performance boosts plus PCIe SSD interface are detailed.

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Can't wait to see some reviews of these in January. Just crossing my fingers that AMD's not going to release something like another first-generation Phenom or FX, as I would very much like to be able to recommend Kaveri to my girlfriend for her next PC rather than Intel's Haswell Core i5.

DDR3? Still? I was hoping with the benefits to performance they'd be the first to adopt DDR4...

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Originally Posted by flufflogic

DDR3? Still? I was hoping with the benefits to performance they'd be the first to adopt DDR4...

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A mainstream platform adopting DDR4 first? No chance.

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Originally Posted by AndyM95

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Originally Posted by flufflogic

DDR3? Still? I was hoping with the benefits to performance they'd be the first to adopt DDR4...

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A mainstream platform adopting DDR4 first? No chance.

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That would be server HSW-E.

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Originally Posted by flufflogic

... I was hoping with the benefits to performance they'd be the first to adopt DDR4...

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Erm ... why? It was announced a long time ago that Kaveri would use a modified version of the FM2 platform and was therefore going to use a dual-channel DDR3 bus on desktop.

DDR4 isn't even commonplace in the server and specialist markets yet. AMD aren't going to launch their new mainstream platform on a memory specification that no major manufacturer are currently supplying.

OTOH, how many major manufacturers are going to put DDR4 modules into mass production when there isn't a mainstream platform compatible with them available? It's a bit chicken and egg. AMD have decided that this *isn't* the right time for DDR4, but tbh it can't be that far off...

Nothing really excites me about DDR4 just yet, so I'm more than happy to stick to the mainstream DDR3 :)

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Originally Posted by Agent

Nothing really excites me about DDR4 just yet, so I'm more than happy to stick to the mainstream DDR3 :)

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I dunno, the fact that stacking 4 sticks of RAM into your case gives you twice the memory bandwidth is kinda nice. AMD should certainly be keen to push it, as it'll massively help their APUs in graphically intensive workloads.

Sadly, of course, the place where the reduced voltage will really help - laptops - are the platform that's least likely to get the bandwidth benefits, because you'll probably still be stuck with 2 SODIMMs due to chassis restrictions. And given how many vendors seem willing to stick on large memory stick in a build these days I'm not convinced that many prebuilt systems will get more than a couple of sticks either. Of course there's the much-vaunted speed increase as well, but since DDR4 starts at 2133MT/s, and AMD's top end APUs are already validated at 2133MT/s DDR3, that's not going to be particularly significant early on during adoption...

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Originally Posted by scaryjim

I dunno, the fact that stacking 4 sticks of RAM into your case gives you twice the memory bandwidth is kinda nice.

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Yeah, without a doubt, it's just for the vast majority of desktop machines, memory bandwidth isn't really an issue and hasn't been for a while. I suppose when you start bringing the entire CPU / GPU / APU / Whatever shared memory pool into the equation it alters things a bit, but I can't help feel that's still a bit off in the future....kinda like DDR4 :D

(Sorry, tired ramblings tonight)

I guess once the Kaveri is out, Intel will jump to the DDR4 boat. Then AMD will 'behind' again.

Speaking of memory, I dont think any of AMD's solutions have had speeds (read/write) faster than Intel counterparts in the DDR3 arena... kinda sad.

Intel will use DDR3 for quite a while yet. People forget DDR4 has to become cheap enough for usage on the consumer Intel platforms before it is adopted en masse.

DDR3 took a while to be the commonly used RAM type for consumer AMD and Intel CPUs.

OEMs skimp by using single channel DDR3 FFS,so why should they care about DDR4 until it is cheap enough??

I remember the DDR2 -> DDR3 change. The prices were utterly silly at first.
The price at the start just isn't going to be justifiable for most people.