3DMark to be updated with DirectX 12 vs Mantle tests

[Corky34]

No. They simply said they were working with AMD to try and resolve issues.

So when the said "may be adversely affected by certain AMD CPU and GPU configurations"
That wasn't saying certain AMD CPU and GPU configurations maybe adversely effecting performance, but that they are working with AMD ?

Maybe if you took off your red colored glasses you would see rightly or wrongly they attempted to blame their problems on AMD.

[Agent]

So when the said "may be adversely affected by certain AMD CPU and GPU configurations"
That wasn't saying certain AMD CPU and GPU configurations maybe adversely effecting performance, but that they are working with AMD ?

This isn't hard to understand.

We are aware that the graphics performance of Assassin’s Creed Unity on PC may be adversely affected by certain AMD CPU and GPU configurations.

They are acknowledging that under some AMD setups, there are serious issues.

It's a statement of fact. Nothing more. At no point in that statement do they assign blame to AMD.

rest assured that AMD and Ubisoft are continuing to work together closely to resolve the issue, and will provide more information as soon as it is available.

Here they are making it clear that they are working with AMD to solve the issues that AMD users might see, and people will get an update soon.

This again, is a statement of fact. Nothing more. At no point in that statement do they assign blame to AMD.

Where, exactly is blame being assigned here?

Maybe if you took off your red colored glasses you would see rightly or wrongly they attempted to blame their problems on AMD.

Yet not you, or a single person here can actually give me a quote where blame is being assigned to AMD. We have nothing more than 2 factual statements about:

a) Acknowledgment of some serious issues which exist on AMD hardware. No blame. No finger pointing, just that issues are present.
b) That they are aware of these issues and are working with AMD to solve them.

The game has major issues regardless of hardware, but AMD has undoubtedly been hit the hardest due to Ubisofts shoddy testing and QA. You only need to visit their forums to see this or one of the many review site posts on it, it's not exactly a secret.

So Ubisoft acknowledge where the most serious issues are....and get accused of blaming the company behind the product? It's absolute madness.

You're right. It's the red (should have gone with Nvidia green there!) colored glasses - not the fact that we're still waiting for a quote showing where the blame happened in this easy to understand, 2 sentence statement.

I honestly thought the AMD / Nvidia war between PC users had reached a peak when we saw people arguing about if G-sync or Freesync was better (when you couldn't even buy the latter). Now we're on to claiming companies who acknowledge issues with their products and state they are working with one of the biggest graphic manufacturers in the world as assigning blame....?

All because some clickbait website wanted to drive traffic for a bit of easy add revenue. Sad times

[Corky34]

Maybe you need to look up what the meaning of the word blame is.
1. To hold responsible.
2. To find fault with; censure.
3. To place responsibility for (something): blamed the crisis on poor planning.
n.
1. The state of being responsible for a fault or error; culpability.
2. Censure; condemnation.
Idiom:
to blame
1. Deserving censure; at fault.
2. Being the cause or source of something:

Now if "We are aware that the graphics performance of Assassin’s Creed Unity on PC may be adversely affected by certain AMD CPU and GPU configurations." Isn't a statement placing responsibility for adverse graphics performance on AMD CPU and GPU configurations then i don't know what is. Or would you like a statement from Ubisoft with the word "blame" in it ?

Ubisoft attempting to assign blame for their shoddy work on AMD has nothing to do with AMD or Nvidia, it's merely an poor attempt at trying to deflect the blame from themselves for what is a buggy POS no matter what hardware it's running on.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Ubisoft is the same company which removed its DX10.1 patch for AC citing "problems" and when it was really no buggier than the DX10 path which they kept. Only thing is that the Nvidia cards did not have DX10.1 at the time,and the AMD ones did,and it helped them as a result in certain situations.

[kalniel]

Maybe you need to look up what the meaning of the word blame is.
1. To hold responsible.
2. To find fault with; censure.
3. To place responsibility for (something): blamed the crisis on poor planning.
n.
1. The state of being responsible for a fault or error; culpability.
2. Censure; condemnation.
Idiom:
to blame
1. Deserving censure; at fault.
2. Being the cause or source of something:

Now if "We are aware that the graphics performance of Assassin’s Creed Unity on PC may be adversely affected by certain AMD CPU and GPU configurations." Isn't a statement placing responsibility for adverse graphics performance on AMD CPU and GPU configurations then i don't know what is.

Read your definition above. Nowhere in the statement does Ubisoft say or imply AMD are responsible for the adverse effects.

Of course, that could be because they have good lawyers

[crossy]

Now if "We are aware that the graphics performance of Assassin’s Creed Unity on PC may be adversely affected by certain AMD CPU and GPU configurations." Isn't a statement placing responsibility for adverse graphics performance on AMD CPU and GPU configurations then i don't know what is. Or would you like a statement from Ubisoft with the word "blame" in it ?

Actually no, I'm going to agree with "Agent" (although not on his/her accusation of Daily Maul style click baitery).

Looking at this at face value Ubi are saying "if you use certain AMD CPU's with certain AMD GPU's then you will run into issues". That's a statement of the problem, not a root cause analysis. On the other hand if they came back and pointed fingers at either chipsets not being able to deliver data quick enough or some intrinsic issue with R2 gpus then that would be blame. Remember that this is the US we're talking about and I have no doubt that if AMD thought that they were being "blamed" that they would mount a robust legal defence! Especially as "blame" = "negligence" in some circles. (stupid ones admittedly).

Then there's NVidia (and possibly Intel) - having a public AMD failing would be a PR god send, e.g. "AC:U ... runs properly with Geforce".

No, at the moment we're at the "this is the problem" (i.e. certain AMD combos) - the "what" stage.
The next step after that is to figure what's causing this - the "why" stage
And only after that can you start to figure if it's "just one of those things" (act of god), or someone slipped up - the "who" stage.
Oh, and get around to fixing the "why" of course ...

And, personally speaking, my money would be on that the "who" turns out to be "insufficient QA due to marketing-driven release schedules at Ubisoft". Unfortunately there seems to be too much of this "we gotta have a major release of this title this year" around, good thing that 3DMark is linked to developments in graphic software tech, so unless Microsoft decide to move to annual Windows releases (horrendously unlikely imho) then we're safe from the vista of 3DMark2014 edition, 3DMark2015 edition, etc.

Actually, there's a personal bug-bear... utility software companies who add a couple of (minor?) features then slap a new release number on it and expect you to rebuy the whole package. The AV companies we're used to, but people like Acronis, Paragon, Magix are also now following suit.

[Corky34]

While they didn't hold AMD responsible, they did attempt to blame their problems on certain AMD CPU & GPU configurations.

The key words are "their problems"

[Namix]

Anyone who thinks they did not blame AMD are simply delusional or lack an understanding of the English language.

Their follow up statement in which they blame the media for "misinterpreting" their statement attempts to clean the matter up but for me its a little strange, for one at no point were Nvidia or Intel mentioned by name, AMD has their name plastered all over the place as regards the many issues with AC:U yet the other two seem to be in the shadows even when the "updated statement" was released its said "hardware partners".

Yes all i need is a tin foil hat but surely it must interest some people that one companies name is everywhere but the other is never mentioned at all, even more interesting is that the company who is not mentioned has a "program" involved in developing this game, seems like a deliberate act to me.