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What I wanna know is - can you upgrade from the Tech Preview to the Release?
Shame office is touch-first now. I was looking forward to 10, now I'm not sure if I want it - it's a step forward from the change MS forced on us with 8, but still not ideal for proper PC's.
Nor do I, but it is, IMHO, an inevitable result of a semi-constant trickle of info releases by blog post.Originally Posted by shaithis
Put it this way. I do not believe (but on no hard evidence) that the constant drip-drip of hints, tidbits and snippets, by largely informal channels like blog posts or executive tweets, was any accident. It was, I believe, a quite deliberate (and quite normal) method of ramping up interest, getting people talking about your product and, yes, sometimes testing the water in a totally deniable way .... that is, float a hint or rumour, watch the reaction and then either proceed or deny it accordingly.
BUT .... if you float "leaks" in that sort of informal way, you don't have the option to use very carefully crafted language such that written info can pretty much mean one and only one thing. Such carefully worded "releases" clearly aren't "informal".
And if you say things in such a way that meaning isn't clear, journalists are entirely justified in querying differing interpretations. In fact, they're not doing their job if they don't.
Politicians aren't the only ones (or even the first ones) to use 'spin doctors'. Businesses have been doing it more or les since we first had businesses. Advertising is a very crude form, and info-dripping by blog is merely a more refined form of the same thing.
A primary function of journalists is to question what they're told. I've sat in press briefings from half a dozen people in a pub, to boardrooms of some of the world's largest companies, and while the technique varies, the principle is ALWAYS the same - companies are trying to present the message they want to get out, and journalists are trying to see through the often artfully crafted smoke and mirrors to see whether what lies behind really is a warming, comfortable, log fire, or the rumblings of a half-awake and angry dragon.
If companies don't want journalists misinterpreting, don't release ambiguous or potentially misleading information. Instead, make it clear, concise, detailed and unambiguous.
Yes - they've said it will go from preview to RTM with just a patch.
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Build 10122 is very stable for me however 10130 had some sound card issues. I'll also be doing a clean install when it comes out.
Just read the price for a fresh copy will be around the £150 mark. Think that's for the Home version. Two points - they're really sticking with all the pointless SKUs? MS can't just make one version and be done with? Second, that price is ridiculous. MS have, IMHO, got many things right with Windows 10 but that price mark is idiotic when OSX is given away for nothing.
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As an individual user there are only 2 SKUs, Home & Pro. The vast majority of home users don't need the ability to connect to a domain or group policies. Education, Enterprise & Phone Enterprise won't be offered to individuals at all while Phone & IoT will be bundled with the devices they are meant to be used with.
Also, a quick Amazon check reveals OSX is NOT free, it is nice that they've recently stopped charging for service packs though.
OS X is free and has been for the last 3 versions (10.8, 10.9 & 10.10) ? the quick Amazon check brings up the 2 old versions (10.6 & 10.7) that were on disc and if you wanted a thumb drive.
Care to provide a link to a free legal download of OS X? Or do you mean that OS X is included in the price of the hardware, in which case so is Windows.
They don't charge for point releases to their OS any more, but then Microsoft never has so that point is moot.
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/os-x...15041082?mt=12
it's available from the App store
It is... and it isn't. If you're in the Apple environment already, yes, it's free. If you're not, and building a Hackintosh, then no, it isn't free. You have to purchase the older version, and then upgrade. It's not expensive (generally $20US or so) but that isn't the same as free.
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It's still a damn sight cheaper than £150. Microsoft have really blown it with this price point which was the point I was making. If they want Windows 10 to succeed and get everyone of their pirate copies of Windows 7/8 then charging £150 won't do the job at all.
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I'm thinking of just buying windows 7 again for cheaper than W10, then doing the free upgradeThe thing I'm confused about is, what do I do if I need to do a fresh install at any point - can I just install W10, or do I have to install W7 and upgrade to W10 everytime? That'd be annoying..
Not to bust any bubbles, but this, along with Win 8/8.1, is the cheapest any release of Windows has been since Win 98.
Windows XP Home Edition will be available as an upgrade version for $99. The full version of the OS will cost $199. Windows XP Professional will cost $199 for the upgrade and $299 for the full version, according to Microsoft.
Sorry the columns don't line up 100% perfectly, but it's not rocket science to figure it out. Plain and simple - OS X is subsidized by the hardware sales of Apple computers. There are no subsidies for Windows retail versions, period. And Win10 is in no way, shape nor form more expensive than any other release of Windows since 1998. And a $20 increase after 17 years isn't exactly through the roof.Code:Upgrade Products Windows Vista as of 1/2007 Price Windows Vista as of 2/2008 Price Windows 7 as of 10/2009 Price Home Premium $159.99 Home Premium $129.99 Home Premium $119.99 Business $199.99 Business $199.99 Professional $199.99 Ultimate $259.99 Ultimate $219.99 Ultimate $219.99 Full retail products Windows Vista as of 1/2007 Price Windows Vista as of 2/2008 price Windows 7 as of 10/2009 Price Home Premium $239.99 Home Premium $239.99 Home Premium $199.99 Business $299.99 Business $299.99 Professional $299.99 Ultimate $399.99 Ultimate $319.99 Ultimate $319.99
And to be 100% honest, I'll admit to not giving a rat's butt in regards to the feelings of pirates - re: cost. Too many 'pirates' try to play it off as political, or everything should be like Linux, and be free. And, imo, that's a load of something out of the back end of a donkey. If there's a price, pay for it, or don't use it. There's NO requirement for someone to be using Windows, because, by definition, if they can't afford Windows, they don't need to be paying for games to run on Windows.
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I don't have a proper answer for that, but my intent is to make sure I have both an x86 and an x64 ISO of the latest/last preview, and hope that if they don't release an RTM ISO, that with the registered account and the last preview, it will patch over to the full version. But I honestly don't see them NOT releasing the RTM on ISO when the time comes.I'm thinking of just buying windows 7 again for cheaper than W10, then doing the free upgrade
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plus of course windows has a lot more piracy, but MS don't make the money on PC hardware in the same way as apple do with osx. apple don't have the same piracy issue with osx as unless you go down the hackintosh route, which isn't really for the typical joe bloggs user and usually requires special custom builds and/or mucking about (not always, but to make it run properly and update properly, usually it is), so the updates aren't that much different to updates provided by other companies for products like xbox or firmware updates. it keeps interest in their products as they continue to be upgraded over time. typically you spend a bit more spec for spec on an apple product, so in regards to OS upgrades it's like those costs are factored in with the machine purchase
i do think MS could have some better offers and lower prices on windows for home users though, especially considering they have the 8.1 with bing version that is effectively "free" on certain PC's, but you can't legitimately buy and use a free with bing version on a custom build, and a custom build could be a relatively cheap build using second hand parts from ebay etc. i think piracy levels would decrease a fair bit if there was a more affordable home solution, like charging £25 for a "with bing" version that's perhaps even cut down a bit but fine for folk who don't exactly exert their machines and just surf the web etc. of course there is the linux option, but ask joe bloggs on the street if they want to or can use linux and you may as well have spoken in japanese. normal joe bloggs users aren't interested in it or want to learn it
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