It certainly raises that question - if they were willing to do this without making it clear, why wouldn't they also cherry pick? I think the manufacturer provided vs self-sourced from retailer origin is going to become quite an important thing for reviews to note.Originally Posted by outwar6010
outwar6010 (20-06-2016)
Apart from the differences are minute - a couple of percent. That's within error margins through three runs of a game benchmark. It's not going to make "their card look rubbish" - all these card are essentially identical in performance.
Apologies to the Hexus team who do great work reviewing cards, but (IMO) the issue here is the reviewing media's obsession with graphs and charts and trying to show up even the minutest difference (which, let's be honest, is somewhat driven by the expectations of us, their audience).
Subjectively, any GTX 1080 will give you the same gaming experience - they're all clocked within a few percent of each other, they're all overkill for anything under 4k, and they'll all run within a couple of fps of each other at 4k. The differences simply aren't significant, but that doesn't make a very interesting story, so we get reviews desperately trying to pick one over the other, often on minute differences in performance, rather than concentrating on the real differentiators, which are price, build quality, warranty, and cooling performance (temps/noise).
So long as reviews insist on ranking cards based on performance benchmarks we will see manufacturers messing with clocks and performance in an attempt to ensure their card is top of that list.
VW stated that Emissions on certain cars were a certain level, while knowing that they weren't EXCEPT for when under test eg MOT. They got found out. Sales dropped.Where are they doing that?
ASUS have just admitted to sending an optimised unit rather than a retail unit, for review.
Its pretty clear, that if you send or say something point out how well something performs or provide something that is set up before it is handed over, then provide something else once its been tested which isn't set to the same standard or degree to the general market, its a lie.
A lie aimed at showing how good your kit is in order to get sales and make your kit more attractive to the public.
wheres the guarantee that all other items sold will perform that well?
Besides, my initial comment was made in a slightly cynical and sarcastic way. Very hard to always get it across in black and white.
Well you can see from my other posts that I don't agree with what they are doing, but they're not lying about the capabilities. However I take on board your subsequent note that you were being sarcastic - be careful with that since defamation is a real thing!
Misleading consumers in to thinking they are getting a top spec card is a no no in my eyes by using over enhanced cards so the Review sites tip them as being the powerfull card to get when infact its a lower grade spec card with Manufacture OC and not a retail version, where as the 2 differ in speed and OC capabilities...
so the whole fuss is about two mouse clicks on a software?!
well they should have disclosed it when sending these cards, but well as long as the end user can achieve the same results with two clicks then that is fine, either ways, for serious OCers, no one will give a damn about these profiles and just grab AB or Precision X and create their own profiles.
so that is fine in my book.
Fair play to TechPowerUp.
Agree with you. Unless these cards start overclocking themselves when they detected a benchmark software, I don't really see what's the fuss is all about.
Not the first time asus have done this.Seem to remember they shipped motherboards with a small o.c as default.
Btw did you just copy past the top of your artical from http://videocardz.com/61121/asus-and...s-to-the-press
that's a joke before someone throws there toys out the pram
I came here thinking they had given better binned parts, or edited the BIOS to do something a retail version had done.
All they did was enable the mode which makes the card run fastest. This is the most none-issue of none-issues I've seen in quite a long time.
It's like a car being reviewed having the best suspension settings on, or higher boosts enabled. They wanna show off it's maximum potential, they didn't modify the cards in any way.
So why wouldn't they also do that for retail cards?
In an email to HEXUS, EVGA appears to be looking to capitalise on any fallout. The email directs readers to the EVGA blog, to a post entitled:
"With EVGA, What You See is What You Get"
"EVGA was one of the first graphics card companies to offer overclocked graphics cards, and since day one EVGA always delivered the exact same products to reviewers as well as customers. EVGA does not “fake” reviews or send out products with “tweaked” clockspeeds to reviewers. With EVGA Superclocked, FTW and Classified graphics cards, what you see is what you get..."
Read the post here.
It's best for impartiality, but hexus would need a substantial investment into new cards every time a new chip launched - there's a bit under £2k worth of 1080's in the last 3 reviews alone. They also wouldn't be able to release launch day reviews, whereas all the other tech sites with less morals would be getting all the ad revenue from people eager to hear the latest hype
You can still source (and Hexus do) products from retailers for review purposes at no, or vastly reduced, cost. See how many reviews thank company X for the provision of product Y. Sometimes said products can be given to reviewers before general sale availability too. It's that initial launch day review that you need products from probably nVidia and AMD direct, but that's not the problem here.
As I said in a previous post in reply to you (that they deleted?...For what I don't know - not PC enough? Tone? PC needs to die - it just ruins discussion -no personal attacks, names etc...whatever), you wouldn't want to have people who do NOT know how to change that setting, returning 1000's of cards thinking it was faulty due to being noisy. Choosing the middle for optimal noise/heat was wise. Do any others ship with their top mode? I doubt it for the same reason. Most that I've seen ship silent or mid mode (game mode etc, whatever they call it per vendor), depending on what they're advertising/shooting for in the audience.
Most enthusiasts can find any of these modes. It's the ignorant users (note that doesn't mean stupid, they just don't do enough homework), that could cost you tons of RMA. You would clearly want to ship to avoid any RMA and use your website or reviews to explain how to enable the modes via software to get what you want out of the card, or included instructions for that matter. Last I bought a card I had this included in a sheet explaining it all with pics etc on how to enable all modes.
Just for clarity, nobodyspecial, no posts in this thread have been deleted (as a moderator I can see deleted posts). Perhaps the post you're thinking of was in a different thread (although this post appears to be your first on Hexus for around 4 months, so that seems unlikely)? We rarely delete posts on Hexus, only with good reason, and - unless the content was particularly offensive or unnecessary - also rarely without warning, or at least trying to engage with the user and persuade them to change the tone and nature of their discourse.
The one occasion on which we might delete posts quietly is if we spot posting patterns that suggest someone is only posting to try reach the 20 posts required for the free shipping offer at Scan. Having review your posting pattern here, that seems unlikely to have happened. Perhaps you just didn't finish posting? I know I've done that a few times!
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