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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessWaves View Post
    'Already couldn't be bothered'?
    Yes, already couldn't be bothered, that's the message they're sending.

    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessWaves View Post
    Windows 7 is 7 years old.
    Only 7 years old. Software doesn't magically become invalid with age.

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    Contemporary OSes would iOS 2 on the iPhone 3G and Android 1.6, with the flagship Android phone being the original HTC slider phone. Smart TVs hadn't yet been coined and Tablet PCs were 2kg laptops with reversible screens running Core 2 Duo processors. The console market had the original Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii.
    What does any of that have to do with anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessWaves View Post
    Microsoft and Windows developers have already supported Windows 7 for longer than almost every other product released in 2009 and will likely do so for another three years.
    And hurrah if they do. But this little spiel is making it sound like that's not really what they want to do. It's very much a preamble for abandonment.
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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    Well, from it isn't good enough for modern hardware, it looks like I'll be saving twice over by not upgrading - no need to buy a new operating system, and therefore no need to upgrade my hardware. Win-Win

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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

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    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessWaves View Post
    Windows 7 is 7 years old.
    Only 7 years old. Software doesn't magically become invalid with age.
    I think the word you're looking for is "obsolete", but I sort of agree. The impression I'm receiving from your post is that you'd rather wait until an OS arrives that genuinely feels like an improvement over Win7, which is ideally what you'd get from each iteration of Windows.

    We know that the reality has been a good/bad/good cycle within relatively recent years and personally I think if W10 is regarded as a bad OS, this is indicative of Microsoft focusing development in the wrong areas and not observing their target customers.

    All I really wanted from 10 was a more reliable hardware/software layer that looked like 7, but performed better. Ideally it would support all of the newest standards and technologies, be more secure than 7 was, and maintain some useful stuff like the clock, start menu, calculator and snipping tool. I don't know where Microsoft got the idea we all wanted and needed telemetry, Cortana, Edge, their own apps, a merger with Xbox, adverts on our own desktops...

    But I don't hate 10.It has positives and negatives just like every other piece of technology and can be configured to be less frustrating than it is at start. It's never broken on my machine either.

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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    gotta say i find Windows 7 much quicker & more stable than Windows 10. Personally I wont be "upgrading" the majority of my machines to 10 for at least another 12 months.

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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    Quote Originally Posted by jimborae View Post
    gotta say i find Windows 7 much quicker & more stable than Windows 10. Personally I wont be "upgrading" the majority of my machines to 10 for at least another 12 months.
    Windows 7 is quicker and just as stable, game fps are quite a lot quicker in windows 7, if it wasn't for dx12 I wouldn't touch windows 10 with a barge pole it's simply trying to please too many markets (phones / tablets laptops desktops............ and none of them are used the same.

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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessWaves View Post
    'Already couldn't be bothered'?

    Windows 7 is 7 years old. Contemporary OSes would iOS 2 on the iPhone 3G and Android 1.6, with the flagship Android phone being the original HTC slider phone. Smart TVs hadn't yet been coined and Tablet PCs were 2kg laptops with reversible screens running Core 2 Duo processors. The console market had the original Xbox 360, PS3 and Wii.

    Microsoft and Windows developers have already supported Windows 7 for longer than almost every other product released in 2009 and will likely do so for another three years.
    Back in the day everyone questioned how Microsoft could offer a 10 year support lifecycle when everyone else offered far less, lots of people said such a moved would bankrupt them and that a 10 year lifecycle was unsustainable, that within a few years they would be forced to fall inline with the industry standard of 2-3years, many people including Microsoft saw the 10 year support lifecycle as the main reason to buy into the Windows ecosystem instead of the alternatives from IBM, Apple, Acorn, Commodore, Atari, Amstrad, ZX Spectrum, and Linux to name a few.

    Point being history can teach us a lot and while i agree that Microsoft and Windows developers have already supported Windows 7 for longer than almost every other product released that was entirely of Microsoft's doing, they made that rod for their own back and having all but extinguished the competition it's a little late for a change of mind, it also doesn't bode well for the future given Microsoft's recent demeanor.
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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    Quote Originally Posted by Rubarb View Post
    Windows 7 is quicker and just as stable, game fps are quite a lot quicker in windows 7, if it wasn't for dx12 I wouldn't touch windows 10 with a barge pole it's simply trying to please too many markets (phones / tablets laptops desktops............ and none of them are used the same.
    too bad calculator no longer works, but hey... games!

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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    I use Windows 7 at home and at work. We are moving to Windows 10 at work, so it will be interesting to finally see what Win10 Enterprise it like. I am not adverse to Windows 10 without the spying and more predictable updates.

    I do see some benefits from Windows 10 and I think even with one or two isolated negative(s) I could get over that bitter pill and move on.

    However when you have invasive telemtry by default
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    they don't test their updates well anymore
    AND
    it installs them when MS wants and not you
    AND
    they install in app purchase games on your PC without your knowledge, which you can uninstall, but they will just reinstall again (Candy Crush Soda Saga)
    AND
    they will reset your defaults
    AND
    they went with Metro/Modern/Windows UI (personal)
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    everything seems to have its own loading bar/twirly/dots for even the smallest thing (personal)
    AND
    Cortana pesters you if you don't use it

    So I know a lot of you won't be bothered by any of these, I could get over some of them, but it just keeps stacking up. Windows 10 is basically where Clippy is the entire OS.

    Per the above, Windows 7 is old, considering how little testing they do these days, an OS that has been patched and patched again over 7 years. Is slightly more preferable to one that has an attitude of: if the users complain we know we broke something.

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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    SO WHY WAS IT EVER released

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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

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    I'm still rolling out XP
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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    “Windows 7's mother was a hamster, and its father smelt of elderberries!” ~ MicroSerf

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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    I've considered W10 but I agree with Gunbuster's points - and I won't install an OS that I can't control and set up as I want it.
    At least W7 does what I want. I've turned off all of the frippery, choose which updates to have and when to install them and have no apps (in the modern sense) at all.
    As I find W10's behaviour unacceptable I might, in a few years' time, start looking Penguinwards.
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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    Rolled Windows 10 out for our company over 300+ computers, most were upgrades, next to no issues at all. The only issue is when there are windows updates and our stores with slow internet links gets bogged down.

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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    Red Hat manage to year's support + these days:
    https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/updates/errata

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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    Quote Originally Posted by Giraffe View Post
    I've considered W10 but I agree with Gunbuster's points - and I won't install an OS that I can't control and set up as I want it.
    At least W7 does what I want. I've turned off all of the frippery, choose which updates to have and when to install them and have no apps (in the modern sense) at all.
    As I find W10's behaviour unacceptable I might, in a few years' time, start looking Penguinwards.
    Not that I'm arguing for W10 but I've done essentially the same thing with the new one. The big caveat is that you basically require Enterprise edition to do so now. I'm sure W10 Home is an interesting form of digital torture for tech savvy people.

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    Re: Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't fit for modern hardware and security

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    Only 7 years old. Software doesn't magically become invalid with age.
    This is the problem here.

    I don't know how to say this without being harsh, but it's the complete lack of awareness of your ignorance on the matter that fuels your viewpoint.

    Do you know how many things have changed in this time? How something like Thunderbolt or USB C can create big challenges for kernel designers? What about CPUs? Do you have any appreciation the massive changes in architecture we've seen? Not even just on power management either.

    Of course because you're 100% in the dark on all these things, you don't appreciate why they have happened. But it's incredibly frustrating when you are developer, that your project or product could be made with such ease if only people allowed you to use modern tools. But they don't because they think they understand what they are powerfully, willfully ignorant of.
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