Employee microchipping gains traction in Sweden

[Xlucine]

Next you will tell us we should all eat dog food because dogs eat it.

One more thing pets have a much more shorter life span than humans so we don't know the long term effects of these devices in the human body.

It contains some copper wire and a grain of sand. There is nothing to leak. There are hundreds of similar devices implanted in humans, many containing batteries, that have all been well studied for safety and leakproofness - this will be made to the same standards and will be just as inert

[Top_gun]

It contains some copper wire and a grain of sand. There is nothing to leak. There are hundreds of similar devices implanted in humans, many containing batteries, that have all been well studied for safety and leakproofness - this will be made to the same standards and will be just as inert

https://www.organicconsumers.org/new...y-cause-cancer

There appears to be a number of studies to say these rfid chips are not safe when implanted in humans and animals.

[Xlucine]

https://www.organicconsumers.org/new...y-cause-cancer

There appears to be a number of studies to say these rfid chips are not safe when implanted in humans and animals.

'organicconsumers.org' is not a source. Notice how none of their citations are real? A real citation has to state the title of the paper, and the article it was published in - otherwise it's impossible to check their claims. If you want to claim that they cause cancer, find me a properly conducted study on pubmed. If there are as many studies as you claim it should be easy to find one!

[Top_gun]

'organicconsumers.org' is not a source.

Sorry, I didn't say it's a source. You seemed rather confused about the purpose of the website so here's a link the organisation: https://www.organicconsumers.org/about-oca

I take the word of a non-profit organisation over a corporate's any day of the week.

Moving on, yes it was easy to find these studies on the web, thank you very much.

[bsodmike]

The day the company I work for is allowed to embed a chip in my body, is the day I start a crusade. Yes, these are voluntary......for now.

Indeed!

[aqua1955]

For sure it would be a answer to the future as long a update (repair) of the chip is possible.
Can it be taken out without medical surgery.
On the long term I see some nasty things like thieves walking away with the chipped hand.
It would so be "handy" to prevent such problems. I have seen a guy that did even open and start his car, opened locks and many things more. Visional it would make a great difference in future but maybe a little to soon.

[peterb]

Sorry, I didn't say it's a source. You seemed rather confused about the purpose of the website so here's a link the organisation: https://www.organicconsumers.org/about-oca

I take the word of a non-profit organisation over a corporate's any day of the week.

It's still a pressure group with an agenda, just as corporation has. The fact it's not-for-profit does not mean it's impartial.

[Top_gun]

It's still a pressure group with an agenda, just as corporation has. The fact it's not-for-profit does not mean it's impartial.

And what agenda would that be exactly?

[peterb]

And what agenda would that be exactly?

https://www.organicconsumers.org/about-oca

gives details of what they are about.

[Top_gun]

https://www.organicconsumers.org/about-oca

gives details of what they are about.

I already posted that link.

The reality is that the organisation fights for its consumers. Seems like a positive agenda to me compared to your failed attempt to muddy the waters!

[peterb]

I already posted that link.

The reality is that the organisation fights for its consumers. Seems like a positive agenda to me compared to your failed attempt to muddy the waters!

You did, but I wondered if you had read it. It's a pressure group, with an agenda. It might be a 'good' agenda, but it still has an agenda, which has to be kept in mind when assessing any evidence or point of view it presents.

[Xlucine]

Sorry, I didn't say it's a source. You seemed rather confused about the purpose of the website so here's a link the organisation: https://www.organicconsumers.org/about-oca

I take the word of a non-profit organisation over a corporate's any day of the week.

Moving on, yes it was easy to find these studies on the web, thank you very much.

You're regurgitating their claims verbatim, you are using them as a source. Corporations have nothing to do with it, any website that cannot even give the title of a study they are referring to is lying - the only reason they wouldn't properly cite them is if they were attempting to hide the truth. Of course, you're lying as well about finding the studies - if you have read them and they support the argument, then you'd have nothing to lose by linking them.

[Corky34]

That's because, as far as i can tell, the OCA is citing a study carried out by anti-RFID advocate Katherine Albrecht that was widely discredited.

[Top_gun]

You're regurgitating their claims verbatim, you are using them as a source. Corporations have nothing to do with it, any website that cannot even give the title of a study they are referring to is lying - the only reason they wouldn't properly cite them is if they were attempting to hide the truth. Of course, you're lying as well about finding the studies - if you have read them and they support the argument, then you'd have nothing to lose by linking them.

Your claims are based entirely on speculation and to accuse others of lying in the absence of real evidence says a lot about you. There's a great sense weirdness when I come across someone who vehemently defends these odious human implant RFID chips. Nearly all normal people would refuse to have these devices in their body regardless of whether it causes cancer or not.

[Top_gun]

You did, but I wondered if you had read it. It's a pressure group, with an agenda. It might be a 'good' agenda, but it still has an agenda, which has to be kept in mind when assessing any evidence or point of view it presents.

This seems like a really clumsy retreat on your original assertions. Of course, groups have some kind of an agenda but to say I don't understand it is complete nonsense. For a start I could easily take apart the Tory policies and expose the party for what it is - idiots! How's that for understanding agenda. Sadly, there's some people here defending the party in blind faith.

[Top_gun]

That's because, as far as i can tell, the OCA is citing a study carried out by anti-RFID advocate Katherine Albrecht that was widely discredited.

Corky34, if you read the footnote then you realise that sentence was based on an article from a RFID trade magazine called "RFID journal". Of course they will muddy the water for Katherine Albrecht as it's in their interests to do so since they rely on revenues from growing the RFID market. To say otherwise would be like Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Katherine Albrecht simply drawn information from several other studies around the world. Once news of her study went public Verichip stock price fell and have counteracted with their own sponsored research with the intention to damage her reputation. So the question remains on who do you trust? Do you take the word of a greedy corporation with a dodgy history over a non-profit organisation acting in the interest of its consumers?