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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    AMD, but not the 1800x. I'd go for the R7-1700 and just clock it to 4Ghz. Plus you are gonna be keeping your motherboard for a while yet.

    (P.S: I might be biased because iv'e already got a R7-1700 with 32GB RAM @2800MHz) System is very solid.

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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    I have, and love, AMD's 1800x. Disappointing overclocks, but I knew that going in.

    I'm on the fence about buying an i7 8700k, which is fine since 10/5 saw just an Intel paper launch. Maybe in a few months for my second rig that currently uses an i7 6700k with 5.1 OCs.

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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    Quote Originally Posted by rpjkw11 View Post
    I have, and love, AMD's 1800x. Disappointing overclocks, but I knew that going in.

    I'm on the fence about buying an i7 8700k, which is fine since 10/5 saw just an Intel paper launch. Maybe in a few months for my second rig that currently uses an i7 6700k with 5.1 OCs.
    That's a lot of money to spend on what would basically be just adding 2 cores.

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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    Its a tough call at the moment and based on the past, I wouldn't be 100% sure that an AMD mobo would still be good for future upgrades....they have messed that up in the past, could easily do it again. Forward compatibility isn't guaranteed.

    Neither platform is really giving me the "buy me now" vibe. The intel launch seems half-baked and the AMD launch seems a bit beta-ish.
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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    I noticed today that Overclockers UK are offering "pre-binned" 8700K for exuberant prices.
    They have slapped a £800 price tag on 5.2 capable chips. I hope other sellers don't also start to do this sort of thing.

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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    I would also choose Ryzen 1700, b350 and roughly 3000mhz RAM (maybe 3200).

    This is almost my setup now and I'm very happy.

    It's cheaper, but if you really want 144hz 1080p intel is an option if you can afford and cool it.
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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    I noticed today that Overclockers UK are offering "pre-binned" 8700K for exuberant prices.
    They have slapped a £800 price tag on 5.2 capable chips. I hope other sellers don't also start to do this sort of thing.
    I wonder what they do with the rejects? IIRC my last intel CPU had tamper evident intel branded tape, and I'd be annoyed if someone had got into my brand new CPU before me - so selling them normally is probably out the window

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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    I noticed today that Overclockers UK are offering "pre-binned" 8700K for exuberant prices.
    They have slapped a £800 price tag on 5.2 capable chips. I hope other sellers don't also start to do this sort of thing.
    Well, if someone wants to pay £800 for a CPU that will go 200MHz higher than "average", let them. It's their money they're pissing up the wall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xlucine View Post
    I wonder what they do with the rejects? IIRC my last intel CPU had tamper evident intel branded tape, and I'd be annoyed if someone had got into my brand new CPU before me - so selling them normally is probably out the window
    They do them for 5.0, 5.1 and 5.2, from what I can see. So it's unlikely there will be any rejects.

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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoonigan View Post
    Well, if someone wants to pay £800 for a CPU that will go 200MHz higher than "average", let them. It's their money they're pissing up the wall.



    They do them for 5.0, 5.1 and 5.2, from what I can see. So it's unlikely there will be any rejects.
    Are they delidding them or just checking all their stock for 5ghz+ capable ones?
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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    Quote Originally Posted by outwar6010 View Post
    Are they delidding them or just checking all their stock for 5ghz+ capable ones?
    Taken directly from the OCUK page:
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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoonigan View Post
    Well, if someone wants to pay £800 for a CPU that will go 200MHz higher than "average", let them. It's their money they're pissing up the wall.

    Its not so much about the money they're charging (although I do find it objectionable still), its about the principle of them doing it. Looking at the OCUK forums it looks like they have been doing this for a while with older generation chips as well.
    Can't imagine they welcome debate about it on the forum all that much.

    If I got a box with a broken seal, and it hadn't been advertised as "open box" with a reasonable discount, I would be demanding they sent a courier to collect it and replace it.

    If I buy a K cpu, I expect to play the silicone lottery the same as everyone else.

    Edit - So a little bit more reading:
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbo - OCUK Staff
    For the upteen time, we do not buy retail chips selectively and we do not test retail chips. Our stocks of retail processor is purchased from authorised UK distributors just the same as our competitors and when those CPU's arrive they go on the shelf in our warehouse, they are not sectioned off, they are a free for all. We use OEM CPU's for our binning and then when we do buy in batches we buy thousands, so the stock on the shelf un-tested is the same batch and silicon lottery remains.

    Retail chips are not tested for the simple reasons they are sealed product from Intel and as I am the owner of CPU stocks, I do not allow them to be open or tested, only OEM stock is allowed to be removed for testing, binning, system integration and then anything removed does not go back into the stock, so the weakest CPU's will be graded as such or used in systems which do not feature overclocks.

    As such anyone buying retail and even OEM gets a true silicon lottery CPU, if you read the reports on these forums of people buying CPU's from us that were not pre-tested you can see some are hit around 4.8 and others are hitting 5+ and some as high as around 5.3 area.


    As such we would appreciate you stop spreading false information about us please.
    Suppose that's fair enough.
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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    That sounds reasonable. A delidded&prebinned i9 with a warranty would definitely be worth the extra, if you wanted the fastest thing possible, and a couple hundred pound premium on something that costs over a grand is definitely worth it for the warranty if you were planning on delidding anyway

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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xlucine View Post
    That sounds reasonable. A delidded&prebinned i9 with a warranty would definitely be worth the extra, if you wanted the fastest thing possible, and a couple hundred pound premium on something that costs over a grand is definitely worth it for the warranty if you were planning on delidding anyway
    And to save having the hassle and risks of doing it yourself, quite.

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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    I noticed today that Overclockers UK are offering "pre-binned" 8700K for exuberant prices.
    They have slapped a £800 price tag on 5.2 capable chips. I hope other sellers don't also start to do this sort of thing.
    Its because there are idiots jumping on the Ryzen is "slow" and hence "dead" for gaming bandwagon so retailers then will find ways of pushing the price of the limited supply of Core i7 chips too since its the ultimate E-PEEN chip. Its not the first or last time when hardware enthusiasts on forums overhype a CPU or GPU and the retailers laugh,plonk the price up and they still pay the stupid price for the honour of their E-PEEN,since they have considered anything else as rubbish so have to "live by the sword".

    Don't blame the retailers - blame the people who pay the prices when retailers start jacking them up at launch.

    Launch quantities of the Core i7 8700K also look very low and also the number of orders too!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibbo
    I pushed all the orders through and they were all showing as 5th orders. According to my system there is still ten orders remaining from 5th, as such it makes no sense to me as every order I pushed through were all placed on 5th and the 80 chips were not enough to clear all the 5th orders as we got 90 orders.

    I've secured more stock, had to pay £295 per chip but 30 incoming for Monday/Tuesday which should cover all orders placed upto 10th October on regular retail.

    8 Pack also has tray product to bin when he returns so binned processors should be available again later next week, though we have quite a lot of backorders on those as well.

    I have a few hundred 8600k tray, which 8 Pack shall commence binning also next week, I may also make these available to order online as don't see binned i5 being as popular as i7.
    So OcUK only sold 90 on launch day and 120 on the first two days - they had to scour the UK to get more stock to fill pre-orders.
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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Its because there are idiots jumping on the Ryzen is "slow" and hence "dead" for gaming bandwagon so retailers then will find ways of pushing the price of the limited supply of Core i7 chips too since its the ultimate E-PEEN chip. Its not the first or last time when hardware enthusiasts on forums overhype a CPU or GPU and the retailers laugh,plonk the price up and they still pay the stupid price for the honour of their E-PEEN,since they have considered anything else as rubbish so have to "live by the sword".

    Don't blame the retailers - blame the people who pay the prices when retailers start jacking them up at launch.

    Launch quantities of the Core i7 8700K also look very low and also the number of orders too!!



    So OcUK only sold 90 on launch day and 120 on the first two days - they had to scour the UK to get more stock to fill pre-orders.
    Low supply = Poor yields?

    You wouldn't think so given its the same tech as the 2 previous generations.

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    Re: QOTW: Intel Core i7-8700K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    Low supply = Poor yields?

    You wouldn't think so given its the same tech as the 2 previous generations.
    It seems it was probably meant to be released in early 2018 which makes sense if you look at the B360,etc being launched during that time too,and that the Z390 is also being released next year.

    So Intel brought forward the launch,and this is probably why only the Z370 is available as many of the motherboards seemed to slightly rejigged Z270 ones.

    Basically Intel is trying to put people off buying the higher end Ryzen CPUs though by dangling the Core i7 8700K in front of people,and it shows you how worried they must have been,to essentially crater sales of the Core i7 7700k an Z270 which are under a year old.

    Edit!!

    It also does make me wonder though - Zen+ is meant to be probably first quarter 2018,so by the time Intel actually gets the other chipsets launched and the Core i7 8700k out in decent quantity it might be not that long until Zen+ launches,unless AMD/GF screw that up!!

    https://www.techpowerup.com/237371/a...-february-2018

    Hmm.
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