Eletric trasport i have no problem with whats so ever it mainly the charge time.... run time 100 miles (cool) 24hrs charge time for that is a problem................ it's not useable yet for teh everyday.
......................... has to be improved for all of us .
Barring a family emergency or a holiday I can't see myself getting out of LondonOriginally Posted by Biscuit
300 miles IMO.
Cant get to the good part of the country from your part of London if thats your range
Last edited by outwar6010; 13-10-2017 at 09:46 PM.
"A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in."
300 Miles. That gets me from Detroit to Chicago. The problem isn't necessarily the range, in and of itself. But with gasoline, I can stop anywhere and be refueled in 5 minutes. I could see a future in which batteries were standardized and swapped at the equivalent of gas stations. Solar charging, charging stations more conveniently placed, charging lanes, quick charging/swapping all seem way more important than the range issues.
I would reference the mileage of what a Nissan Sentra or similar car can do with a full tank of gas driven in mixed mode, highway and city.
Sorry, but that is what I believe a very large majority of folks want and expect. You can work out the numbers, as I already know current small EV's cant match my suggestion.
This is exactly my feeling on the matter. This would open up the battery supply as well as the vehicle choice and be good for consumers. Standardised batteries which would be swapped and recharged at vast banks on motorway networks would enable a similar system to how we work now. Convenience should not be underestimated, if within the eu they can standardise charging connectors for phones then bayteries for vehicles should be asy. Unless the regulators all sit on the boards of large automotive companies ....
Agreeing with post two above
Last edited by MonkFish; 13-10-2017 at 11:05 PM. Reason: New post
80 miles, maybe 100.
How often do you spend hours in a car either continuously or with only short breaks?
With 'slow' chargers (7KW) you charge at around half the rate you drive on a normal sized car. Going shopping for an hour? Sticking the car on charge while you're doing so will give you 26 miles of range, more than enough to cover the average shopping trip.
Even if you only charge overnight, 80 miles a day in more familiar figures is 29,000 miles a year (21,000 if you exclude weekends). That's a big margin for many people.
The occasional longer journey? Take the train, hire a van, whatever. You're saving plenty on fuel so the cost isn't an issue.
Haven't read the thread (it's 2.15am abd I have a 6.30 an start), so this gave orobably been said but ..... INHO the minimum range depends entirely on two factors ....
1 - the extent and depth of charging unfrastructure, and
2 - the use to which the car will be put.
Say, for example, my brother needs a car for pootling around his London suburbs, but I live in the country and regulary do 200 mile trips. He'd probably be happy with 80-100 miles but it'd be as much use to me as a chocolate teapot. I need about the sane range as a decent combustion engine car, and even that presupposes I can charge as easily and quickly as I can fill a fuel tank .... i.e. 10 mins and I'm on my aay again.
So, minimum range varies depending on individual's needs.
Yet I don't know what your suggestion is, having never driven a NIssan Sentra
Still waiting for my Jetsons style nuclear powered car. No charging or fuelling required
I'm with Saracen - not said that in a while. I have a 200 mile round trip commute to work plus I'll do the same at work so for me I'd need at least 500 miles range. My issue is I may finish at 12, be home for 1.30am and need to leave at 10 so charging is my real problem.
for me currently I can't see an all electric vehicle working. Too many miles with too little time to recharge. A hybrid maybe...
Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!
Blimey double post!
And the M6 would cease to be.... I see a n accident every single day. Imagine the chaos of a collision between 2 nuclear fission devicesYet I don't know what your suggestion is, having never driven a NIssan Sentra
Still waiting for my Jetsons style nuclear powered car. No charging or fuelling required
Old puter - still good enuff till I save some pennies!
Perhaps people will drive more carefullyAnd the M6 would cease to be.... I see a n accident every single day. Imagine the chaos of a collision between 2 nuclear fission devices
Range is one thing, recharge time is another, 200km real time range would be more than enough 99% of the time for me, doing less than 11000 km a year, and if you can charge 50% or 75% in half an hour or less, that would be fine, for long treks.
so how much does it cost when the batteries pack up "HOW MUCH" they will eventually pack up
yes/no
Tom Gee Scotland
Range and recharge times are like bhp (brochure horse power) used to be.
A tool for selling vehicles.
Alas it's made batteries orders of magnitude more expensive than is economically viable.
Owning the battery pack on a renault zoe is a £5k option when buying the vehicle.
Alternatively you pay £900-£1300 a year on lease for it.
They latter is the option everyone has taken out as the best deals were lease the whole car for 2-3 years.
This has caused renault a big problem though. Part of the lease is the guarantied final value (GFV) which is the minimum amount renault will pay you for the vehicle at the end of the lease.
The monthly lease amount is basically the on the road price (otr) minus the gfv divided by the length of the lease.
In order to make the monthly costs attractive enough for people to buy the cars they set the second hand value optimistically high. Way to high in fact!
On a £22k Zoe leaased for 24 months at 6000miles a year (12k over the lease) the gfv was set to £9.5k (big gov' discount on that £22k list price of course)
Recently someone tried to end there lease 6 months early as they needed a bigger car. Renault offered the £6k for it to end the deal! Why ? because the price of second hand Zoe's is half the price they predicted two years ago. All because the cost of the batteries has made second hand cars worthless. They are an economic write off in three years when the batteries cost more to replace than the car is worth!
If anyone does the numbers on the battery lease they soon find out before putting any electricity in it a traditional car just needs to do 40mpg (uk not us) to cost the same in fuel as the battery lease.
This is based on doing exactly 10k miles a year, its much worse for the zoe at lower miles!
The battery lease needs to come down to the same level as vehicle excise duty on a normal car for them to make any sense to buy.
daddacool (14-10-2017)
I used to own a first gen LEAF and the issue wasn't really the headline range, it was the practical range. I got rid of it after a winter where it was very difficult to use properly. Battery capacity is lower in the cold, so the range automatically dropped significantly & if you didn't use the Carwings app to pre heat the car while it was still plugged in, the heater (first gen LEAFs had a heater straight out of an internal combustion engined car, which was terrible for battery drain), you'd be lucky to get 40 miles out of the thing.
I did a return trip in traffic to Luton when it was snowing and had to turn the heating off half way there for fear of not getting there and back. Luton was a 24 mile round trip but after sitting in traffic for half an hour it was clear unless I turned the heating off I was going to be in serious trouble.
I understand the heating system has been entirely redesigned for electric only use and battery capacity is up now, but after that I realised an all electric car wasn't suitable for me. Even when it was sunny, if you drove it to enjoy the bonkers torque, it barely got 80 miles from a charge. It's not an issue generally as statistically most journeys are under 30 miles but until battery power density is much much higher, I think hybrids or PHEVs are much more practical.
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