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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    And just so people believe what I say. Here's a report from back in 2015 that explains it

    http://stratifiedauto.com/blog/low-s...oboost-motors/
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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    Interesting read - thank you.
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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    To put it into context - 5 million plus ecoboost engines sold and it does give very good economy and power from a small 3-cylinder or 4-cylinder engine. The driving test and instructors out there have changed how they teach you to drive though and encourage changing gear early and keeping revs low as they believe it cuts emissions. With modern engines and techniques it makes much less of a difference than it did. There is no substitute for looking after car, especially the choice of fuels and making sure that the cooling and lubrication systems are ok
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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    It's a shame because if Samsung or Apple, or even LG or Google did this it would sell. There is undoubtedly a market for it, but I feel Duracell lack the brand to push sales of smart phones.

    It's a shame, because it will just re-enforce the opinion the former companies hold regarding the concept

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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    I went for a 4,100 mAh battery on my current phone and so far it has always comfortably lasted the day. I think it went down to 20% once when I left it with a graphics-intensive game running and forgot about it.

    Not saying there isn't a market for 16,000, but to my mind you're talking about something you'd buy because you're going hiking / camping and won't have reliable access to electricity than something for day-to-day convenience. And wouldn't you be better off with a 4,000 mAh phone plus a backup battery / powerbank anyway, since it reduces day-to-day weight and still provides similar longevity?

    I do like that someone is pushing the boundaries but it feels a bit like a product looking for a purpose to me.

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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    And just so people believe what I say. Here's a report from back in 2015 that explains it

    http://stratifiedauto.com/blog/low-s...oboost-motors/
    By poor quality fuel I expect that to probably exclude the UK as an issue here. I've only ever had fuel quality issues once and that was in a VERY high compression engine which caused knock. Still stopped me ever going to supermarkets for my fuel. I think here the fuel standards are high enough that you shouldn't under normal circumstances in a road legal vehicle get preignition (unless you're running a high spec vehicle on lower octane fuel).

    BUT I'm open to the fact that this isn't my area at all and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    Quote Originally Posted by philehidiot View Post
    By poor quality fuel I expect that to probably exclude the UK as an issue here. I've only ever had fuel quality issues once and that was in a VERY high compression engine which caused knock. Still stopped me ever going to supermarkets for my fuel. I think here the fuel standards are high enough that you shouldn't under normal circumstances in a road legal vehicle get preignition (unless you're running a high spec vehicle on lower octane fuel).

    BUT I'm open to the fact that this isn't my area at all and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
    Agreed, fuel in america is what 85 / 86 ? octane in britain your looking at 95 / 99 depending on premium or non premium. Also i would be highly reluctant to trust a tuning company that offers "crackle" tunes for cars, overfueling the engine to create a crackle on the overun is never a good thing...

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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    You'd think so wouldn't you, but there is fair evidence that supermarket fuel can cause this along with driving the car badly - like that article says by driving with low revs and putting the engine under load, something that the current driving instructors are encouraged to do to aid economy. The supermarket fuels tend to have less additives in them and most of these issues are caused by stuff like bore washing by petrol, badly maintained lubricants and small short journeys often. SO - if you drive like a granny on the school run and put in rubbish petrol and never go long distances, a modern engine might not be the best bet. Part of the issue is that a fair few cars don't actually get up to the correct running temperature. Like a older DPF in a diesel car that is only used a few miles a week. It will eventually clog and cause issues. As an aside, the new MOT is going to make any mods to the DPF or DPF removal a fail. Also if the DPF is not working correctly it will be a fail. That's going to be huge amounts of fails for things like Quashquai's and the like that don't go too far

    But we're miles away from the actual subject matter now.... I think I'd rather talk hand grenades
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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    I get my petrol from Tesco. Always have (for the last 13 years anyway). Though the missus and I use the 99RON Momentum fuel.

    I drive a Skoda Octavia VRS 230 and she drives a Golf R. So the higher spec petrol goes without saying.
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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    It's not just the petrol though. Bad driving habits and short journeys where the car does not reach temperature are also major factors. Granted your choice of vehicle is less likely to be driven gently, but it's a combination of many things one being that learners are taught to change gear early and put load on the engine with lower revs to keep up fuel economy. That is exactly the driver who is likely to purchase a few years old 1ltr ecoboost car for example
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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    one being that learners are taught to change gear early and put load on the engine with lower revs to keep up fuel economy.
    Not just instructors behind that, it seems to be a standard feature of stop/start cars to have an indicator that nags you to change up/down if it thinks you could be more economical. I tend to ignore it, engine breaking is entirely software controlled these days and without a few revs you don't get any which also means the adaptive battery charging doesn't kick in.

    Edit: I guess pushing people towards the modern twin clutch automatics rather than traditional manual box gets around the problem as well.

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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    To be fair the missus has a 17 plate Golf TFi 1.4. 125 bhp version with dsg gearbox. The gearbox is great, but due to her spending most of her time in traffic the fuel economy isn't great, she gets about 27 - 30 mpg on average. It does get round most problems with direct injection turbo petrols, but the older ecoboosts still suffer from it.
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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Not just instructors behind that, it seems to be a standard feature of stop/start cars to have an indicator that nags you to change up/down if it thinks you could be more economical. I tend to ignore it, engine breaking is entirely software controlled these days and without a few revs you don't get any which also means the adaptive battery charging doesn't kick in.

    Edit: I guess pushing people towards the modern twin clutch automatics rather than traditional manual box gets around the problem as well.
    Of course you shouldn't be using any phone (not just the Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone) when carrying out that manoeuvre!

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    To be fair the missus has a 17 plate Golf TFi 1.4. 125 bhp version with dsg gearbox. The gearbox is great, but due to her spending most of her time in traffic the fuel economy isn't great, she gets about 27 - 30 mpg on average. It does get round most problems with direct injection turbo petrols, but the older ecoboosts still suffer from it.
    Well that economy will drop with the weight of the Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone.

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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    Don't think it has worked Pete....
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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
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    Re: Energizer Power Max P16K Pro 6-inch smartphone teased

    Actually here are some real world pictures of the phone:

    https://www.gsmarena.com/energizer_p...news-29827.php
    https://mashable.com/2018/02/26/ener.../#7j5gXRbgMOqd

    Its 15MM thick and weighs 300G.

    My 20000mAH Energizer UE20001 powerbank,is nearly twice the thickness and weights 50% more.

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