Progress: Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 put in shade by Pentium J5005

[3dcandy]

And yes you are right...
But most people are simply not bothered - regardless of the implications. I was simply saying that for some reason, people seem disinterested in computer security again - but more interested in a notch in a flagship phone that hasn't been announced yet. In many ways geekiness is disappearing and I feel that is why this issue is not being made such an issue of! It's another flaw in a cpu...old news
Don't shoot the messenger - but that's my opinion

[DanceswithUnix]

I was simply saying that for some reason, people seem disinterested in computer security again

I think most people don't understand it. Yet another way that their laptop can get infested with malware isn't news to them, it's already infested on a regular basis. Otherwise we wouldn't trigger on phrases like:

"Hey you know about computers, my laptops gone slow".

Now a notch in a phone, anyone can have an opinion on that.

[3dcandy]

LOl that flagship phone that will probably be vulnerable to this exploit?
It just shows how messed up 2018 is

[Tabbykatze]

And yes you are right...
But most people are simply not bothered - regardless of the implications. I was simply saying that for some reason, people seem disinterested in computer security again - but more interested in a notch in a flagship phone that hasn't been announced yet. In many ways geekiness is disappearing and I feel that is why this issue is not being made such an issue of! It's another flaw in a cpu...old news
Don't shoot the messenger - but that's my opinion

I'll try not to shoot you too much, but messengers like yourself saying what you're saying (in your earlier comments) can lead people to go "oh, it's just a storm in a teacup then" when it's not, really.

I agree that people are still not as interested in digital security as they should be, but still, it's up to Tech sites like this to make sure people are informed nonetheless.

I don't want to dig at Mark too much, but the same amount of effort that was put into this (in my opinion) waste of digital space, except as a small corner of mouth tugger, could have been used to find much better things to talk about. I presume the writers for Hexus have many other roles because Hexus covers less than 40% of Tech news as I see it. Hell, OC3D Facebook does a far better job and that's just an enthusiast page.

[3dcandy]

But you see - there's the issue. To the vast majority it IS a storm in a tea cup.
I'm not disagreeing with you - but when I deal with clients and customers these days things like this are so common they're not bothered. As dances said it's just another bit of malware to them. Getting people who are more bothered that Win 10 doesn't look nice than actually sorting anything else out

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Cough,cough I have a bad cough:

https://forums.hexus.net/pc-hardware...o-l-chips.html

....don't seem too be as bad as they look.

I was looking on NBC after seeing a review of a N4200 based laptop:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-P....182736.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-A-S....144751.0.html

Both have singled threaded CB R11.5 scores of between 0.6 and 0.66 and multi-threaded scores are around 2 it seems.

I was wondering how a Q6600 compared to this:

http://www.legitreviews.com/upgradin...7-4770k_2247/9



Wait,wut??

Single threaded scores are close to a 2.4GHZ Core2 Duo,and no doubt the lower memory bandwidth(or maybe the TDP limit) is not helping when all cores are under stress,but still that is still more than usable for a tablet or cheapo laptop especially since modern IGPs handle decode of media much better.

The Atom is especially impressive as it is meant to be a low cost chip with a 6W TDP. The IGP even handles H265 decode too(!!).

I made that thread back in 2016. The 2016 Atom CPUs even did H265 decode,and the N4200 had Q6600 level performance.

You don't need Reddit,Hexus is ahead of the curve!!

[Millennium]

Well, personally I do think this is newsworthy, though really not as newsworthy as Spectre 3 and 4 (which I'm kind of aware of but didn't know this designation) are right now.

It's fairly overpriced really for what it is, IMHO the power differential is very interesting to me as a hardware enthusiast since the mid 90s. I'm still not buying Intel CPUs, perhaps ever, more likely until they grow some bonhomie. And fix their stuff responsibly...

Roll on Zen 7nm. I am wishing for 5.4GHz and 16 threads again (r7 1700 @ 3.9 now). Perhaps 24-32 AMD64 threads. It's really let's just call it (cough) ''e-peen'' though, I don't game really, this sys is 'fine'. I don't mine anything any longer (as in block chain encryptions). I just browse, chat and play music and video mainly!

[Xlucine]

But you see - there's the issue. To the vast majority it IS a storm in a tea cup.
I'm not disagreeing with you - but when I deal with clients and customers these days things like this are so common they're not bothered. As dances said it's just another bit of malware to them. Getting people who are more bothered that Win 10 doesn't look nice than actually sorting anything else out

And if no-one makes a big deal of it, then the rare occasion that the general public does come across an article about it then they'll think "no-one else is talking about this, it's probably nothing". How are they ever going to get educated if we sweep everything under the rug?

[3dcandy]

And if no-one makes a big deal of it, then the rare occasion that the general public does come across an article about it then they'll think "no-one else is talking about this, it's probably nothing". How are they ever going to get educated if we sweep everything under the rug?

Most of them have no desire to be educated about this kind of thing. Most people I know now don't have a pc at home it's a work thing. The devices they have at home are tablets and phones - a laptop at most which rarely gets used.
Now that's probably against the majority of people on here - but that's the reality for many. I'm finding increasingly large amounts of people who have no broadband any more and rely on 4G
The accent on security of systems is moving away from home users and back to business users and the IT department.

Like the IT crowd used to say - have you turned it off and back on again?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Most people are clueless when it comes to tech,but it does not mean major security issues should be buried,otherwise if that is the case major companies won't bother that much either - companies will only do as much as they can get away with until a security breach happens.

[3dcandy]

That's my point..it's already being buried

[Tabbykatze]

So just because some people don't care to be educated about this kind of thing, news sites just shouldn't write about it? What kind of logic is that?

I don't want to keep seeing and be educated about the horrors of murder and rape on the news all the time because it makes me miserable and i no longer want to hear about it. News sotes should stop writing about it.

It's about the duty of journalism to write about things, whether they are big or small. This article is small, Spectre and anything security related is big. Granted there are some minor things that should be left to one side because the, but still.

You cannot take the attitude "people are numb to it so we should stop writing about it", that is what leads to letting the bad guys win.

</soapbox>

[3dcandy]

I never said that.. I just said that in my current opinion the general public isn't that bothered. So with people in general being less bothered does that make it less newsworthy? Perhaps... bad news sells so the saying goes, but something has to be newsworthy to begin with for it to become news. And that is the issue here - some people may say it's newsworthy, others may not.
This is why I'm saying that people seem less and less bothered. Less people comment on stuff on tinternet, less likes etc. And this attitude is filtering down to news. The people who have expressed an opinion on this thread here are more bothered than others, us geeks if you like. The fact you have to look quite hard to find any information is proof enough that this is not deemed that newsworthy is it not?

I'm not arguing against you, far from it. Just explaining that the majority of people I have to work with on a daily basis don't give a stuff about this. As I said above somewhere - I'm more likely to get people expressing doubts about Win 10 looking bad than a major exploit that could actually lose them data and/or work and hit them hard. Or a notch on the latest phone. I am the admin of a website that has had to be modified slightly to work under IE6 because it is accessed (legitimately) from NHS computers that still run IE6. I had an email conversation with someone who didn't actually realise that IE6 was outdated the other day as it is all they can use at work and she has no pc at home. Some people have no idea - does that mean they are a bad person? It's fine that we debate it, we like this kind of thing. To other people, this is just something they don't have to worry about - or at least worry until it affects them personally

I'm with you - but the people I deal with are on the other side of the fence. Isn't that more worrying than the exploit itself in a way?

[DanceswithUnix]

I do wonder to what degree people assume that if their identity is stolen through use of Spectre on a drive by web attack, that the state/world/Google/Apple (choose your modern deity) will magically put it all right for them. But then if people who don't understand the technology do understand the potential consequences, they would likely just stop using computing devices out of fear.

[3dcandy]

From email conversation I mentioned above....

"That's work rubbishrubbishrubbishrubbish. They can sort it that's what they're paid to do"

[Noli]

My main right rig is still running a Q6600!! With DDR2 RAM no less!

Can confirm that of course it is not naturally immune to spectre/meltdown.

Kept getting by with other upgrades to SSD, GPU, extra RAM (dang DDR2 is rarefied and expensive now...).
Been meaning to upgrade for the last 6 or 7 years but simply haven't been able to get round to it because, you know, thing.

::runs away and hides in shame::