AMD accelerates 7nm process adoption

[preter_s]

End of the year...they better not be lying again. This is close enough to make people wait 2/3 months after Turing, but if we get to the end of December and stock isn't on the shelves the people giving AMD a chance are going to go ballistic. They better keep their word this time around since they seem so confident in their assertions.

Ridiculous! If you can wait, its a want, not a need. Then just wait for whatever tickles your fancy.

Else you'd buy whatever your urgent "need" use-case demands.

AMD doesn't owe you anything. Lots of companies have product launch delays. Just ask
Intel how many more years you have to wait for 10nm.

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I take it this means they fixed the PCIe reset bug and others that was present in 14nm Vegas?

It's a damn shame they're not releasing this as an RX Vega product with partners, they could be selling a fixed Vega for the desktop that costs them less to produce.

What bug?

Who cares about whining gamers who want expensive 7nm GPUs so that they can play their kiddy games? These are for real users who want to deploy the GPUs in data centers running them max out 24x7. That's where the money is!

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AMD are hilarious. They're just announcing the 7nm vega part to secure the console markets (because they don't like kids of course lol). I wonder if they care to give us an update on 7nm Ryzen or are they waiting for memory to actually function?

That whole post makes no sense, unless I'm missing the point? Why would Microsoft/Sony remotely care about what AMD announce in the compute GPU market when they're making decisions on what to implement in their consoles? Also what memory are they waiting for? Zen2 uses the same socket so must therefore be compatible with DDR4. If the 7nm EPYC parts are out on schedule then it's reasonable to expect them to stick to the yearly release cadence for their desktop parts, so around spring 2019.

I think @Millenium realised how ridiculous he made himself look. Great quote to keep his post for posterity!

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Well my post made sense to me. It was made in a rush I will submit but I would appreciate it if you would be more polite thank you.

Taking time to write posts in an understandable manner will prevent incredulous responses.

Ah... these clueless millenials like @Millenium... chuckle... chuckle... lol

[aidanjt]

What bug?

Vega 10 has a hardware bug whereby when you reboot a VM, the GPU doesn't respond to a soft-PCIe reset, meaning it wont reinitialise and the card wont be available to the VM until full host system reboot. If they're bigging this thing up for virtualisation use, then ostensibly this is a solved problem.

Who cares about whining gamers who want expensive 7nm GPUs so that they can play their kiddy games? These are for real users who want to deploy the GPUs in data centers running them max out 24x7. That's where the money is!

AMD should care, nVidia is showing them up by constantly taking the graphics crown. One way or another, that detail is going to trickle back to enterprise and nVidia already has a mass appeal advantage there with existing market and mind share, as well as the proliferation of applications that use CUDA. Also, Vega 20 should be quite a bit cheaper to produce than the existing Vega 10 given its much smaller die size, and when the V20 package only needs to carry an interposer big enough for 8GB-12GB of HBM2, and the smaller die. That means they could sell it at the same price or less (if 8GB) to the GTX 1080/Vega 64, and make more money, and gain performance ground. And the consumer market can be somewhere they sell dies that mightn't bin well enough for the data centre, but do fine in a desktop at some tier or another. And it'd buy some good will, mind share, and enthusiasm for the brand. There's no real downside to doing so as long as TSMC has the capacity to pump out more of them than binned inventory allows, and they muster the marketing chops to increase mass appeal.

[Corky34]

It looks like AMD's 7nm plans extend to more than just Vega Instinct GPU (professional cards).

AMD’s next major milestone is the introduction of our upcoming 7nm product portfolio, including the initial products with our second generation “Zen 2” CPU core and our new “Navi” GPU architecture. We have already taped out multiple 7nm products at TSMC, including our first 7nm GPU planned to launch later this year and our first 7nm server CPU that we plan to launch in 2019.

[DavDarkelf]

Why?
The vast proportion of PC gamers do so at 1080p and the largest sales group is RX580 / GTX 1060 and lower. If AMD wants to go after sales this market would be better, the rest is just bragging rights.

The vast majority of gamers at 1080p have absolutely no need to upgrade their graphics card unless going for higher refresh rates. Which is why we are seeing stupidly high refresh monitors. Do you really need a 240hz monitor??

At the moment you can easily purchase a decent 4k free sync monitor for less than £350 but you can't get a resonably priced graphics card to use it. If AMD could bring out card around the £500-£600 mark, undercutting the new NVIDIA cards significantly they could gain market share and also start to grow the market.


NVIDIA seems to be saying that 4k is only for the high end market - which means that market will never grow significantly. Add to that the price of G-Sync monitors and the situation for consumers is dire.

[Millennium]

Well thanks very much ! See you later