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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    TBF,unless its a work related cost,ie,your income is based on it,no one forces you to have to buy expensive graphics cards.
    work related, with a bit of gaming on the side, in my case... and £1000 for a top end geforce is still far cheaper than the 'equal' quadro which goes for about 5 times that price lol

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    I can't wait to see how the rasterisation power has been balanced against ray tracing acceleration. I think nVidia are going to scale fairly linearly - for all their new tensor whatsits I have a feeling we're only going to get about a 2-4x speedup in ray tracing performance card for last gen card in the new GPUs, encouraging you to buy more than the card you need just to get RT performance. AMD can already give me the rasterisation power I need so if they go big on RT with only modest other speed improvements then they'll get my money.

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    Quote Originally Posted by Phage View Post
    Well the money i spent on this 1080ti is still making me feel a little smug. If the new cards are ~1500, I doubt there will be any boom
    yer a few extra frames or a new washing machine and dishwasher . I got a 1070ti in Dec 18 for 325, how much was your 1080ti?
    Last edited by j1979; 21-05-2020 at 07:44 PM. Reason: a decade in the past

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    let me quess:

    +20% performance
    +50% price

    3080ti for £1.5k anyone? thanks but I'll keep my 1080ti and get AMD when it's time...

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    Looks like it might be just in time for my birthday! XD

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    Just building a new PC but reusing my old rx480. These should come out just in time for prices to have dropped by the time I can afford to replace the 480 next year! I'm personally will be going with another AMD card - My rx480 has aged like fine wine. Its just got faster and faster with every driver upgrade and add in the new 'auto OC' feature in the recent driver its now running faster than a stock 580. I'm not someone who replaces my GPU that regularly so AMD's constant support for old card wins out for me over nvidia.
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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    it used to be £200 - £250 would get you close to the top of the range, now your lucky if you get the bottom of the range for that money and still without a decent increase in performance.

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    Going to be upgrading from a GTX 970 and hoping prices are more inline with pre-COVID

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonister View Post
    let me quess:

    +20% performance
    +50% price

    3080ti for £1.5k anyone? thanks but I'll keep my 1080ti and get AMD when it's time...
    A switch to 7nm would get them something like a 30% improvement in power for a given clock speed, allowing them to add 30% more transistors to get back to the same power budget. Given how GPUs scale, the performance should be largely down to how many transistors they can cram in.

    Improved transistor density could allow them to go faster, but only if they burn more power (unless they have improved the efficiency of their already rather efficient pipelines).

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    Also wonder if Intel will crash the party

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    Quote Originally Posted by Gentle Viking View Post
    Also wonder if Intel will crash the party
    If they do, I'm pretty sure it won't be at the high end. Intel may have deep pockets, but I'd be amazed if they have anything in the works right now that can go toe-to-toe with a 2080ti, for example...

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    A switch to 7nm would get them something like a 30% improvement in power for a given clock speed, allowing them to add 30% more transistors to get back to the same power budget. Given how GPUs scale, the performance should be largely down to how many transistors they can cram in.

    Improved transistor density could allow them to go faster, but only if they burn more power (unless they have improved the efficiency of their already rather efficient pipelines).
    They could do +100% for under £1k and still make great profits if they wanted, they have resources to make it happen -- but they won't. Just like Intel makes barely any improvements to their CPUs at each "generation" and still sells well. Nvidia's main focus for a few years now has been profit at the expense of customers and innovation. Lack of competition and pressure from institutional shareholders for short-term returns does its thing. The last value for money GPU was gtx 970 ages ago for a few hundred when there was still some threat from AMD, after that it's been all milking customers and minimal innovation game. Ray Tracing is going to die or stale just like HairWorks and other marketing stuff.

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonister View Post
    The last value for money GPU was gtx 970 ages ago for a few hundred
    That was already too expensive for my liking

    Not saying Nvidia aren't making a massive profit margin (they clearly are), but my point though was that while on each process change you can get close to double the transistors in the same area, the power doesn't halve. So if they actually doubled the performance then power requirements would be going through the roof.

    So if they start with "what can we do with 75W for the 1650" and work up from there with different power budgets, I think the product line up makes a little more sense. A 2080ti can pull 280W, so if 3080ti doubled the transistors (560W) and then knock 30% off for going 7nm you are near 400W. You might be OK with that, but then if they do it again on 5nm would you be OK with a screaming fast 4080ti that pulled around 550W.

    I might not like Nvidia's business methods and think their deep learning strategy is a dead end in the same way their Tegra phone SoC was (anyone who cares already has their own dedicated silicon), but I can't really fault their basic engineering.

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    Quote Originally Posted by j1979 View Post
    yer a few extra frames or a new washing machine and dishwasher . I got a 1070ti in Dec 18 for 325, how much was your 1080ti?
    I usually upgrade every 2nd generation.
    This was an eye-watering £700 in April 2017. I felt guilty, but 3 years later...

    EDIT: second hand it's still worth >£400 from a quick squizz at eBay
    Last edited by Phage; 23-05-2020 at 11:37 AM.
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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    I expect we'll go back to the old standard where a Y80 comes in at the same cost as an X80, and so on. Last time round they had the excuse of raytracing to bump price, but now there's less justification for stepping up prices like that as the last gen also does RT. So no price drops for each level, but cheaper performance as the performance standard goes up - they're already selling plenty of RTX cards at the price, why drop? We will get AMD cards to compete, but AMD GPUs tend to follow the trend of nvidia prices.

    I'm holding off upgrading till I can get 2x my current performance for ~£250, i.e. what I paid for my current GPU a while back (second hand)

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    Re: Next gen graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia due in Sept

    Quote Originally Posted by Xlucine View Post
    I expect we'll go back to the old standard where a Y80 comes in at the same cost as an X80, and so on. Last time round they had the excuse of raytracing to bump price, but now there's less justification for stepping up prices like that as the last gen also does RT. So no price drops for each level, but cheaper performance as the performance standard goes up - they're already selling plenty of RTX cards at the price, why drop? We will get AMD cards to compete, but AMD GPUs tend to follow the trend of nvidia prices.

    I'm holding off upgrading till I can get 2x my current performance for ~£250, i.e. what I paid for my current GPU a while back (second hand)
    Nvidia is at 65% margins now,so they will just keep prices high as people threw money at them,despite the price increases.

    It also looks like,AMD mainstream will be stuck with RDNA1,as RDNA2 will be segmented to higher end models:

    https://hardwareleaks.com/2020/05/23...avi10-refresh/

    So looks like if you are a mainstream buyer of graphics cards,its going to be a longer wait if you want RT. Makes me wonder whether consoles will look a better alternative!
    Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 23-05-2020 at 01:12 PM.


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