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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    Quote Originally Posted by edmundhonda View Post
    If Ampere comes down at anything like the price/performance nVidia are claiming, I'm not sure it matters when AMD start talking about RDNA2.
    The Ampere pricing isn't out of generosity, but purely due to competition.
    If RDNA2 is driving Nvidia prices so low, it certainly is worthy of attention.
    But the slow progress by AMD is giving Nvidia a lot of time to respond.
    I think the Ti or Super models are where AMDs problem will be.

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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    Quote Originally Posted by ByteMyAscii View Post
    But the slow progress by AMD is giving Nvidia a lot of time to respond.
    What's slow about the AMD progress? RDNA1 was a good progress from Polaris, no reason to think RNDA2 won't also be as good progress, and in less time (16 months) than it took Nvidia to go from Turing to Ampere (24 months).
    Last edited by kalniel; 10-09-2020 at 12:12 PM. Reason: (switched from Navi to RDNA)

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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    NVidia might not even need to drop the Ti/Supers, depends where BigNavi puts them, if they're at the same price, a bit less on the performance, but 16Gb of RAM, where will that put people's opinion, would you want a card that was 5/15% slower but had 16Gb of RAM vs 8/10Gb for the same cost?
    I dont think we'll see many of the Ampere cards, cost, apparent performance as well as mining (3x the 2000 series cards so I hear) will make sure they're going to be hard to get, so if AMD hit decent yeilds and stock then it might not matter what NVidia release if you cant actually get one..


    At the minute I'm thinking of getting a 3070 and a 3080, seeing which one suits me better and then moving the other on shortly afterwards, hopefully stock levels will mean I can get what I paid for despite it being a month old and having been used as I compare the two cards for my usage..

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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    I don't know about mining - I presume it doesn't need much VRAM so makes sense for them to scoop up all the cards with lower VRAM. Gamers might need the ti/super cards to arrive just for availability reasons, as miners won't want to pay the premium for more VRAM.

    So yeah, AMD might win the availability battle, and 16GB VRAM will always be easier to market than 8-10GB. As for the RAM/performance balance.. I think we'll just have to see - for someone like me looking at flight sim it's quite attractive, but then AMD's inefficient DX11 overhead counts against them.
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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    Kopite made another comment:
    https://twitter.com/kopite7kimi/stat...368242176?s=20

    I smell a battle like HD4870 vs GTX260.


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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    Nvidia would have priced the 3080 at astronomical levels (like the 3090) if they could. But they didn't because they know AMD will be competitive at that performance level. Just look at last gen and the prices of 2060/2070 GPUs before 5700 and 5600 came along. So the pricing alone tells us that AMD will (or at least Nvidia expects AMD will) have a competitive product with the 3080 (but not 3090). So I don't get all these people saying AMD won't be able to come close - the pricing literally tells you that Nvidia expect they will!

    The Xbox Series X is widely understood to pack a 2080Ti performance APU in a £450 console. This is for all intents and purposes a mid-range part from AMD. I may be too optimistic but it's a no-brainer for me to wait another month for Big Navi to see what the landscape looks like. Looking at the huge performance gains AMD achieved from 3000 series APUs to 4000 series APUs, it's not unreasonable to expect AMD to deliver >2x 5700XT performance on their high-end desktop part as has been rumoured. That would put it firmly in 3080 territory with better efficiency and more VRAM.

    It's a pretty safe bet imo that Nvidia will release the real competitors i.e. Super/Ti cards when AMD show their hand. They've done it before with 2000 series so there's every chance they have a similar strategy waiting in the wings again. They didn't gouge with the 3080 pricing because slashing prices a month after launch would look pretty bad so they priced these cards more sensibly this time. I would still expect the AMD launch to shake up the market in some way though.

    edit: Somehow typed 2080 instead of 3080 :doh:
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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

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    4870 was the faster card IIRC, but came out a bit later..

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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    Quote Originally Posted by Zhaoman View Post
    It's a pretty safe bet imo that Nvidia will release the real competitors i.e. Super/Ti cards when AMD show their hand. They've done it before with 2000 series so there's every chance they have a similar strategy waiting in the wings again. They didn't gouge with the 2080 pricing because slashing prices a month after launch would look pretty bad so they priced these cards more sensibly this time. I would still expect the AMD launch to shake up the market in some way though.
    Yeha this is what I think will happen, we'll see the initial batch of cards from NVidia, then when AMD's cards land we'll see the where NVidia go, new models etc, also be interesting to see what they do when it comes to the process being used, 8nm or 7nm+, they have a fair amount of wiggle room so its likely NVidia will be in a pretty good place and have a good few options in the next 12 or so months.

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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    Quote Originally Posted by [GSV]Trig View Post
    4870 was the faster card IIRC, but came out a bit later..
    There are some leaks coming out.

    Kopite says the leaked card is Navi 21 based:
    https://twitter.com/kopite7kimi/stat...90583123968000

    Also Navi 21 might not be 505MM2,but "much" smaller:
    https://twitter.com/KittyYYuko/statu...86125225095169
    https://twitter.com/comp_rd/status/1303986226546880512


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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    So the speculation was correct, a presentation, to provide dates of a future presentation.....

    I guess AMD have their hands tied in some respects (Custom design partners will want to promote their own products, not be overshadowed by RDNA2 - after all they helped fund / develop it).

    The rumours also appear to be true, although time will tell. AMD once again pulling Nvidia back from price gouging, but they will get no credit.

    Hopefully they are genuinely competitive, managing to reinvigorate the sector, as they have CPU side.

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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    Looks like AMD waited for Microsoft and Sony to announce console specs and also Ndivia to announce their details too.

    Expect AMD to announce and launch potentially very good cards, but I've heard this many times in the past, so will be cautious. After a little while nvidia will obviously announce their top teir, from there we will see if AMD are interested / capable of challenging here, as well as whether Nvidia can counter again if they do.

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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    well AMD is not stuck in this kodura whatever his name is guy anymore...

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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    While I've given Nvidia a little bit of stick for doubling their FP32 shaders and therefore counting each cuda core twice, it looks like AMD have gone down a similar route for their compute units. The Xbox series X has 26 'dual' CUs, so gets listed as a 52 CU chip.

    Which leads me to suggest the 80 CU big navi is really a 40 'dual' CU chip. Yes, there's lot of doubling of bits and pieces, but I think fundamentally it's not going to look a HUGE amount different to 5700XT (but it should perform up to 2x faster in the right circumstances like for like).

    EDIT: and I'm completely wrong. RDNA1 also used dual compute units.. carry on
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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    The 3080 and zen 3 then pc rig is done
    Hoping Zen3 comes out next month

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    Re: AMD announces Zen 3 and Radeon RNDA 2 launch events

    Eyeing up Zen3 for my brother.. i'm running a 3700x already so no need for an upgrade for myself.. and for GPU i'm eyeing up the 3080 but am interested what RDNA2 brings

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