EU Digital Services and Digital Markets Acts unveiled today

[Saracen999]

As an American, I'm still sad we don't even have the protections of GDPR. Also, as an American, I thought a load of old cobblers meant a pile of horse dung in the street, left behind by one of the carriages you are always using in madcap adventures that we only learn about over the wireless telegraph.

That might be one definition of cobblers. though not one I've come across. But part of the .... appeal .... of English, I guess, is that many words have multiple potential meanings, sometimes just a question of emphasis but sometimes entirely different and it's the context that makes clear which meaning is intended. Cobblers, for instance, could refer to a collection of people that make shoes. However, it is generally, and perhaps a bit archaicly, likely to refer either to nonsense, bunkum, rubbish, etc, or a gentleman's spheroids, gonads, tackle, family jewels, nuts, plums, knackers or testicles. Or many more. Which, in many contexts, actually is intended to imply rubbish, bunkum, etc though in a context like "a swift kick in the cobblers" really does mean kick in the 'nads.

If that's confusing, maybe I need to explain the explanation, too.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

That might be one definition of cobblers. though not one I've come across. But part of the .... appeal .... of English, I guess, is that many words have multiple potential meanings, sometimes just a question of emphasis but sometimes entirely different and it's the context that makes clear which meaning is intended. Cobblers, for instance, could refer to a collection of people that make shoes. However, it is generally, and perhaps a bit archaicly, likely to refer either to nonsense, bunkum, rubbish, etc, or a gentleman's spheroids, gonads, tackle, family jewels, nuts, plums, knackers or testicles. Or many more. Which, in many contexts, actually is intended to imply rubbish, bunkum, etc though in a context like "a swift kick in the cobblers" really does mean kick in the 'nads.

If that's confusing, maybe I need to explain the explanation, too.

TBF that definition would also work fine. A load of horse dung would also equate well to being rubbish!

[Corky34]

Also, as an American, I thought a load of old cobblers meant a pile of horse dung in the street, left behind by one of the carriages you are always using in madcap adventures that we only learn about over the wireless telegraph.

I think it's to do with what they used to call people who made shoes, cobblers, and the sharp pointy thing the used to make holes in leather with, an awl, cobblers awls it cockney rhyming slag for...well, I'll leave that to you.

[ik9000]

A cobbler is also a desert like a crumble but with the topping only on the top of the fruit and apparently often containing crushed biscuit pieces (though I know recipes which don't use biscuits and I'll trust Mary Berry over wikipedia on this one...)

[Zak33]

A cobbler is also a desert like a crumble but with the topping only on the top of the fruit and apparently often containing crushed biscuit pieces (though I know recipes which don't use biscuits and I'll trust Mary Berry over wikipedia on this one...)

Always trust Mary Berry over wiki

And dont trust any trolls on forum boards

[Corky34]

A cobbler is also a desert like a crumble but with the topping only on the top of the fruit and apparently often containing crushed biscuit pieces (though I know recipes which don't use biscuits and I'll trust Mary Berry over wikipedia on this one...)

Blooming Americanism, call it what it is, a crumble.

[ik9000]

But that's the thing,a cobbler is different from a crumble apparently

[Saracen999]

Well, I'd argue using biscuits is kinda cheating.

Crumble = mix your butter, sugar and flour into a "crumb", by hand, using fingertips. Sprinkle over fruit base, and bake. TIP: prebake the crumble a bit to stop it soggifying in the fruit, if that is your preference.

Cobbler = make a dough with pretty much the same ingredients, either by hand (tends to be lighter) or in a processor. Spoon into dollops on fruit base, giving a bit of space to allow dollops to spread into each other, giving an effect rather like a cobbled road or pavement (sidewalk, for the cousins over the pond).

So .... the same, or different? Well, pretty much the same ingredients, but combined in a different way and I'd argue, as any chemist can tell you, combining the same ingredients in a different way can result in very different outcomes.

As far as I'm concerned, that definition and distinction comes direct from the ultimate reference source on all things crumble/cobbler - my long deceased grandmother, whose deserts were stunningly, fabulously, srumptiously delicious. Others may have their own ultimate source (and sauce) but I'm NOT going to argue with Gran.

Technical Note : While both crumb and dough are essentially butter, sugar and flour you can, of course, mess about with flavourings in there, like cinnamon, and even the specific choice of which sugar can have a dramatic impact. As can putting oats in the mix.

And now, I'm going to get something to eat 'cos, for some reason, I'm salivating.

Damn, I swear I can smell Gran's blackcurrant and apple crumble, with homemade Cornish icecream.

[Corky34]

But that's the thing,a cobbler is different from a crumble apparently

Nope, not hav'in it....one cobbler and I'll turn into an American...

Anyone feeling hungry?

[ik9000]

Nope, not hav'in it....one cobbler and I'll turn into an American...

Anyone feeling hungry?

I wasn't until I read Saracen's post and he's right about the sugar. Demerara or Muscovado are my top tips for getting a dreamy lucious crumble. Plum and demerara hmm hmm hmm. If you use oats just sprinkle them over the top, bulk crumble mix is far superior without oats - yuo want it to soggy up around the fruit and crisp up around the top.

[matts-uk]

Well, I'd argue using biscuits is kinda cheating.

The Cobbler (allegedly) originates in America with colonial English cooks struggling to find the ingredients for a traditional suet pudding. The confusion with crumble comes about due to Americans calling a biscuit what we Brits call a scone, and what we Brits call a biscuit the Americans call a cookie.

Had to explain the biscuit thing to a lovely old lady who helps look after the Five Flags museum in Mobile.

[ik9000]

The Cobbler (allegedly) originates in America with colonial English cooks struggling to find the ingredients for a traditional suet pudding. The confusion with crumble comes about due to Americans calling a biscuit what we Brits call a scone, and what we Brits call a biscuit the Americans call a cookie.

Had to explain the biscuit thing to a lovely old lady who helps look after the Five Flags museum in Mobile.

After clubbing don't mention stopping for chips to a kiwi either. They won't see the point as their chips is our crisps. Sell it to them as "getting a kebab". They do however still have fish and chips in the usual way too - go figure.

[Saracen999]

.... The confusion with crumble comes about due to Americans calling a biscuit what we Brits call a scone, and what we Brits call a biscuit the Americans call a cookie.

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The irony in there is, of course, that "biscuit" originates from the French, meaning "twice cooked". I've never cooked a scone ("biscuit" a la Americans) twice, in my life. The American "biscuit" perhaps ought to be renamed monoscuit.

Amazing where a thread about the EU's Digital Services Act and Digital Markets Act end up. I suppose at least France is still an EU country.

[Tabbykatze]

Never ceases to amaze me the diversity of weirdness of how a hexus thread can go xD

[philehidiot]

Brexit wasn't even mentioned until someone - a leaver IIRC - brought it up much later. So it's not people who wanted to remain, and the discussion was nothing about leave/remain in the first place.

Whilst telling me to shut up and go away, you've proven my point about division. Thanks. I took no sides in my statement, you'll notice. I give not a gnats turd who started it.

Now, I'm going to shut up and go away.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Correcting stuff is not taking a side. Its like someone calling the Ryzen 5 3600 a 24 core CPU,and others saying it is a 6 core CPU.

For example both Nokia and Ericsson are not behind the US in cellular platform technologies such as 5G....they are ahead of their closest US competitors.

Also it shows a lack of understanding of terminology and an overuse of stupid buzzwords. Protectionism actually is used by the US,France,Russia,China,Japan,India,etc to foster advanced technology companies locally with state backed support. Then try your best to lock out foreign competitors. The UK stopped doing this and as a result most of our best innovations get bought up by more protectionist foreign countries.

They seemingly ignored US and Canadian competitors such as Palm/HP,Motorola and RIM phone divisions also being torpedoed. Sony,Sharp and other Japanese phone makers too. Lots of phone companies are a shell of their former selves.

None of this is due to governmental politics - its due to short termism in companies. Most of them underestimated Apple and Google. That is a fact.

Now Apple,etc underestimated their Chinese competitors,and the latter is gaining marketshare.

They made up porkies about their phone divisions going south because something something protectionism,etc. With Nokia it was a sinking ship because they thought Symbian was untouchable and didn't try and attempt to take Apple,etc seriously. I knew quite a few people who left Nokia in Cambridge,because they got fed up of the way the company was heading. Then years after that their CEO,was involved in the sale of the phone division to MS,and then quietly started working for them.