Raja Koduri pictured testing Xe HPG GPU in Intel's Folsom Lab

[LSG501]

Personally it could be a cheaper card and I'd still not be interested until I could see what Intel's driver long term support is like. This is why I really like AMD - my aging rx480 still gets driver updates that improve performance. It might be slight but it there. Nvidia aren't as good in this regard but at least they release regular title specific + stability driver updates for years. Having suffered Intel drivers failure to fix bugs after about a year after the product is released I'm just not going to risk it just yet.

I think my hope is the card is good for crypto and the miners buy it while leaving AMD cards for me

Not saying I'd buy it either but not everyone is tech orientated like those of us on this forum.

I'm basically stuck in the nvidia camp due to the software I use only supporting cuda

[John_Amstrad]

"If Intel can get the level of performance we are seeing hinted at, ample supplies out, and its pricing right, we could be looking at a much more interesting three horse GPU race in H2 this year." Too late for that.

[Corky34]

Was there not some testing done that proves that the nm isn't really comparable between Intel and AMD etc due to how things vary..?

Not so much testing as released figures on dimensions, I've not got the time to dbl check but i think TSMC's 10nm was roughly comparable to Intel's 14nm whereas their 7nm is a bit smaller in most key areas.

Comparing node sizes between manufactures isn't very useful though due to the number of variables.

[trillo_del_diavolo]

This "nm" thing is mostly a marketing term nowadays, as they pick the smallest feature and try to make it like it's the whole transistor at that size, to entice laypeople and the bean counters.

As for the Xe whatever GPU: I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm already expecting a huge flop if it ever gets released.

[rave_alan]

It is possible that in 10 years there will be quantum processors.Moor's law is not working 100%, progress is getting slower, there will definitely be something new.

[Noli]

The conjecture and estimates are all fine in my eyes. But it will still be irrelevant (sadly) for me as a buyer, (just like all AMD cards too) compared to nvidia. And I say that as an AMD fanboy.

That's because nvidia cards have DLSS (and tensor cores) which, 3D rendering power aside, gives them advantages in ray tracing and, more importantly, what DLSS had do for framerates/resolution (or both).

I know that some games seem to favour generic DX raytracing which AMD competes quite well with. But the DLSS is the dealbreaker. The fact that nvidia cards can use AI to make games like Cyberpunk 2077 playable at 4K is totally insane. Yes they are rendering at 1080p or 1440p but there are enough videos showing that the fidelity of the AI "upscaling" (although not actually upscaling) is near indistinguishable.

So if I were buying today (for the insane cost these cards are!), it would have to be nvidia, no question.

I just sure hope AMD had get their implementation of DLSS out quickly to compete...

What *is* impressive about Intel Xe is just how fast Intel has closed the gap. Kudos to them. I really hope we have even 3 way competition in the GPU market in the near future.

[ik9000]

What *is* impressive about Intel Xe is just how fast Intel has closed the gap. Kudos to them. I really hope we have even 3 way competition in the GPU market in the near future.

Larrabee has been overdue since 2011, not sure that this is that impressive. And it seems to me they're only pushing this due to stagnation elsewhere.