Insiders say TSMC has decided to raise prices by 10-20 per cent

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I am sure the taxpayers of the US,South Korea and Taiwan are already spending billions of USD,helping out these companies. As much as companies are not charities(but seemingly act like them,with their tax breaks and taxpayer assistance),I don't think I have any interest in acting like one for these huge foreign companies either. They are making disposable short term items and are not cleaning up the ecological mess they are leaving behind in the rest of the world.

So in the end,I will dictate how much I spend on something......or do without. My margins in life are more important than worrying about the margins of huge foreign entities,especially when these are multi-billion USD enterprises,not some poor farmer struggling to get a decent wage for their crops(things such as Fairtrade),or some item which I can use for a few decades,and actually can be repaired.

[selfishtoaster]

Not the most helpful or practical of suggestions though is it?

Accurately represents the situation though; unless you're going to do something about it you're just going to have to suck it up.

[Corky34]

We're all doing "something" about it, be that having to exchange more of our time for the money to pay for the increases or simply not buying what they're selling because we can't afford it.

Although i suspect when you say "something" you mean something that would influence the price? Because if so i can't think of anything your average consumer can/could do (other than voicing their displeasure in public).

[watercooled]

It's just a strange stance. It's like saying film critics have no right to report on films because they don't own a movie company of their own. Or that gamers have no right to call out bugs or poor performance in games because they're not game programmers themselves. That's not how the world works, is it?

[kalniel]

It's just a strange stance. It's like saying film critics have no right to report on films because they don't own a movie company of their own. Or that gamers have no right to call out bugs or poor performance in games because they're not game programmers themselves. That's not how the world works, is it?

Sure - but likewise fabs don't "need to show the results before they can demand a rise in price", that's also not how the world works

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Sure - but likewise fabs don't "need to show the results before they can demand a rise in price", that's also not how the world works

Well TBF,they probably sort of need to....otherwise no one would pay them for capacity. On top of this,if they end up increasing prices too much,it makes the end products too expensive,and companies might seek alternatives. Just ask Nvidia,who seem to be doing very well out of cheaper Samsung prices!

[kompukare]

Well TBF,they probably sort of need to....otherwise no one would pay them for capacity. On top of this,if they end up increasing prices too much,it makes the end products too expensive,and companies might seek alternatives. Just ask Nvidia,who seem to be doing very well out of cheaper Samsung prices!

Mostly because they somehow managed to change the message and now perf/watt has gone the same place where "upscalers are for console peasants" has gone: it's disappeared from the narrative.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Mostly because they somehow managed to change the message and now perf/watt has gone the same place where "upscalers are for console peasants" has gone: it's disappeared from the narrative.

Well remember how now one cared about Fermi was drinking power,but when AMD was doing it with the R9 290,suddenly it was a big deal.

Then the "better than native" nonsense.

[watercooled]

Sure - but likewise fabs don't "need to show the results before they can demand a rise in price", that's also not how the world works

I'm not sure I follow? That's not what I said.

Mostly because they somehow managed to change the message and now perf/watt has gone the same place where "upscalers are for console peasants" has gone: it's disappeared from the narrative.

It is indeed frustrating how the market narrative seems to track so closely with what Nvidia says.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It is indeed frustrating how the market narrative seems to track so closely with what Nvidia says.

It happened before with tessellation - ATI had it nearly a decade before Nvidia had it!

[kalniel]

I'm not sure I follow? That's not what I said.

Not you, someone else, which I think then generated the comments you since replied to - it was the root of the thread as it were

[watercooled]

Ah OK, I misunderstood. That wasn't the comment thread I was (intentionally) responding to.

@CAT: The power thing is getting a bit extreme now. I consider my 1080 a quite reasonable 180W board power, but its current equivalent in the product stack (at least in terms of model numbers), the 3080, gets upwards of 350W with some aftermarket cards - essentially double! People often refer to efficiency in terms of perf/W, but that doesn't really matter a great deal when you're pulling a given amount of power constantly to play games. It's not like the race-to-sleep concept where working faster to complete a task can end up using less power - a more power-hungry GPU just uses more power, full stop.

Sure, for a given performance level, it's obviously desirable to use less power whilst doing it, but GPU power consumption just seems to be spiralling upwards. To the point that a few friends who bought 3080's have been complaining about noticeably higher room temperature while gaming.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Ah OK, I misunderstood. That wasn't the comment thread I was (intentionally) responding to.

@CAT: The power thing is getting a bit extreme now. I consider my 1080 a quite reasonable 180W board power, but its current equivalent in the product stack (at least in terms of model numbers), the 3080, gets upwards of 350W with some aftermarket cards - essentially double! People often refer to efficiency in terms of perf/W, but that doesn't really matter a great deal when you're pulling a given amount of power constantly to play games. It's not like the race-to-sleep concept where working faster to complete a task can end up using less power - a more power-hungry GPU just uses more power, full stop.

Sure, for a given performance level, it's obviously desirable to use less power whilst doing it, but GPU power consumption just seems to be spiralling upwards. To the point that a few friends who bought 3080's have been complaining about noticeably higher room temperature while gaming.

Well compared to the GTX1080FE,I am looking at another 30W at the wall for the RTX3060TI FE. Sure its faster,but as I have SFF systems,that is the limit of where I want to go!

It's a shame the RX6600XT costs too much,as it is quite power efficient,and AMD decide to overvolted the desktop RX6700XT too much(because Navi22 in laptops is pretty decent).

[watercooled]

I've sorta drawn a line at the ~200W mark TBH. The 3070 seems sorta acceptable in that regard, but the 3070 Ti blows through it, presumably because of the move to GDDR6X memory.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I've sorta drawn a line at the ~200W mark TBH. The 3070 seems sorta acceptable in that regard, but the 3070 Ti blows through it, presumably because of the move to GDDR6X memory.

The RTX3060TI seems right on the 200W limit:
https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-gef...ng-average.png

The most impressive of the models on there is the RX6800,which is 10% above that because of its performance. But it shows how efficient the GTX1080 was,and the TPU figures seem to match what I am seeing too. My GTX1080 ran off a 450W PSU for years!

[kompukare]

The RTX3060TI seems right on the 200W limit:
https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-gef...ng-average.png

The most impressive of the models on there is the RX6800,which is 10% above that because of its performance. But it shows how efficient the GTX1080 was,and the TPU figures seem to match what I am seeing too. My GTX1080 ran off a 450W PSU for years!

If prices went so bad and if I was feeling super indulgent (my max GPU purchase ever was about £220), I would love to take an RX6800 and underclocking and undervolt it a bit. I think tuned down to 180W or less it's would be a really excellent card. 16GB is nice too.