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    AMD Ryzen 5000 HS-series 'Creator Edition' CPUs spotted

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    Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 HS-series 'Creator Edition' CPUs spotted

    As I was reading this article, I was thinking:
    This is great

    And then I saw " 16GB of soldered RAM ".

    No thanks
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    Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 HS-series 'Creator Edition' CPUs spotted

    Quote Originally Posted by darcotech View Post
    As I was reading this article, I was thinking:
    This is great

    And then I saw " 16GB of soldered RAM ".

    No thanks
    Yeah it shoulda been 32GB

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    Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 HS-series 'Creator Edition' CPUs spotted

    Well, regarding the soldered RAM, the laptop I'm thinking of ordering has 16GB of soldered RAM .... and another empty socket, which Asus say will take another 8GB, 16GB OR 32GB, meaning a total of up to 48GB ia available.

    Sure, if the original 16GB wasn't soldered, I could remove it and use two 32's, but I wonder what proportion of buyers need 64GB in a laptop? Some maybe, but that'll be rare if not non-existant in slimline machines. On the other hand, the Razor Blade 14 I looked at had 16GB soldered and no second slot. That was a "no thanks" from me right there.
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    Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 HS-series 'Creator Edition' CPUs spotted

    I had a laptop with soldered RAM and it burned during rendering,had no chance to change it, it is just not the right design for machines with slim cases and weak cooling.

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    Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 HS-series 'Creator Edition' CPUs spotted

    Quote Originally Posted by rave_alan View Post
    I had a laptop with soldered RAM and it burned during rendering,had no chance to change it, it is just not the right design for machines with slim cases and weak cooling.
    Then I'm sure the manufacturer would argue you bought the wrong laptop.

    There are reasons major laptop manufacturers produce several different ranges, one of which is that different types of user have different usages in mind, and that results in different design decisions. Soldered memory is usually (there may be exceptions but generally this is the case) LPDDR4 (*) and that LP bit stands for "low powered". And that needs to be soldered. It has advantages. including reduced cost (machine-installed rather than a person standing there plugging DIMMs (or SODIMMS) into sockets, not paying the unit cost of sockets, etc, and reducing the footprint on the board as a result.

    That footprint point is part of it, but more important is that LPDDR4/5 uses less power, thereby extending battery life for a given physical and electrical size of battery. It will also often (though not always) be implemented in a way that reduces overall thermal footprint. It's a tradeoff, therefore, between sheer power, both of CPU and GPU, and battery life. And that's where the design decisions come in. You will usually find soldered (LPDDR4) in very (or ultra) light, and thin, laptops BUT the buying decision to go for supposedly slim and sexy thin devices means the buyer is (whether he/she knows it or not) trading power and cooling, for thin and light.

    If rendering is a large part of your use of a laptop, then that is why I said you may have bought the wrong machine. A better bet would be the much chunkier models that are able to provide heavier duty cooling, and therefore support less restricted thermal levels and less throttled CPU and GPU.

    That said, clearly, if your machine burned, during rendering or anything else, that suggests either a fault or poor quality design/components because it should have throttled back before that. Avoiding that throttling is the reason for buying chunkier machines in the first place. So no, it should not haved burned, but I don't accept one (or even a small number of examples) as a reason to condemn soldered RAM as a whole, though itis certainly a reason for certain classes of users with that type of need to avoid buying machines that use it.

    I'm looking, as I said, at a machine with both soldered and socketed RAM, and it is both a thin and yet high-powered machine BUT I know that that 'high power' is restricted compared to some laptops entirely because it is pretty thin and light. Those physical aspects are more important to me than wringing the last drop of FPS or rendering performance out of it.

    TL : DR version : Thin/light machines are where soldered RAM is generally found (and in phones, tablets, etc) so it's a compromise implicit in the design criteria of very thin/light laptops. And lots of users want thin/light laptops way more than they care about socketed RAM. Horses for courses.







    (*) Or, increasingly, LPDDR5.
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    Re: AMD Ryzen 5000 HS-series 'Creator Edition' CPUs spotted

    "Creator Edition' CPUs"

    If I'm not a creator, can I still buy and use this machine? Asking for a friend, as I'm already creating stuff using a machine that's actually 'not' a creator machine. I know that I shouldn't be using it to create media, but you use what you have. Not rich enough.

    I love marketing. Always coming up with terms to sell you the same stuff over and over again.

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