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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    I wonder if people ever have normal discussions about Nvidia and AMD.
    Probably not since either it has to be +1000000000000000000 the bestest in the world or -1000000000000000000 Utter uber noob fail,a simple its "OK" with "caveats" apparently is not "rad" anymore.

    Not that it really matters,it will all reset next year with Volta and Navi,so all these cards will look old hat anyway!

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by 3dcandy View Post
    Let's see what happens next generation on both sides but right now AMD have got product to market across the board almost at a decent price with decent performance
    It's nice to see they've actually got product to market that is with decent performance, also having more experience with HBM2 with Vega should stand them in good stead moving forward. I'm not entirely convinced with the Hexus review using an aftermarket 1080 as a comparison to Vega 64, I'd much prefer to see a reference vs reference comparison if I'm entirely honest. As we all know, the aftermarket cards come with lots of adjustments to the reference cards so it doesn't seem like an apples to apples comparison.

    Hopefully the availability will be there, otherwise on the price side of things it could get a bit sticky for AMD for the brackets they're aiming at with both cards (the 56 looks especially interesting if priced right).

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    -100000 negative or +100000 positive)
    I would probably put a poop picture at around -12 387.12 of the spectrum.

    Ryzen being perhaps a +32345 on release, growing to a +68923.43 after a bit of bios jiggery and threadripper being a whopping great eggplant image worthy 82457.89
    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    ...and then you dismissed it out of hand
    did I?

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    Well that is generally the circle of people I know. OFC it could be quite possible all the people you know will have spreadsheets with how long XYZ products are out and then applying calculations of value based on that,so I concede people will look at these things differently.
    Yep... you rattled me, this is all we care about. I'll get together with the others, run the numbers and come back to you with some more specific ratings based on the spectrum specified earlier.
    Watch this space....

    (But don't hold your breath)

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    From the article
    "The comparison EVGA GTX 1080 card performs at about the same level as the reference RX Vega 64 but is much, much quieter, cooler, and far more power efficient."
    add in the fact that the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW is actually cheaper than the AMD Radeon RX Vega 64
    1080;
    £549.98 ; https://www.scan.co.uk/products/evga...Hexus%20Review
    RX Vega 64
    599.99 ; https://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-...z-hbm2-dp-hdmi

    prices valid as of 20:00 on the 14.8.17
    Last edited by will19565; 15-08-2017 at 12:03 AM.

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by will19565 View Post
    ... RX Vega 64 599.99 ...
    prices valid as of 20:00 on the 14.8.17
    Supply and demand - when I looked earleir this afternoon the Sapphire Vega64 was £548 at Scan - now up to £598. Comparing prices on release day - particularly with an AMD GPU that's going to be jumped on by cryptminers - is a mug's game...

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Supply and demand - when I looked earleir this afternoon the Sapphire Vega64 was £548 at Scan - now up to £598. Comparing prices on release day - particularly with an AMD GPU that's going to be jumped on by cryptminers - is a mug's game...
    The first 1000 were priced at £450 on OcUK and they sold out within 45 minutes - so probably miners! A bit worrying for Vega56 though,as GTX1070 prices have also been pushed up too.

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Supply and demand - when I looked earleir this afternoon the Sapphire Vega64 was £548 at Scan - now up to £598. Comparing prices on release day - particularly with an AMD GPU that's going to be jumped on by cryptminers - is a mug's game...
    Doutful, having a look into the results today they are getting 30-34 hashrate on a Vega 64 pulling 300watts, a 480 with do 23 hashrate at 90watts, if anything its going to push the 1070s even higher in price as they offer a better watt / hashrate ratio.

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasp View Post
    ... having a look into the results today they are getting 30-34 hashrate on a Vega 64 pulling 300watts ...
    Thing is, that's without tweaking. What hashrate do you get from a stock 480 pulling 150W+?

    Just dropping Vega 64 from balanced to power saving knocks almost 80W off the consumption with very little drop in performance, and that seems to be repeated in other reviews that have tested the different power states. Overall Vega seems to be more power efficient than Polaris, so I can't see it taking long for miners to crank the best perfomanceower ratio out of it...

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    I think the aftermarket 1080 is a fair comparison, no-one with any sense would have paid extra for the founders edition - it doesn't seem to be on sale any more either.

    The bundle with the monitor looks like a good bit of marketing, but £800? You could get a really good g-sync monitor and a 1080ti for the cost of V64 and that

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Thing is, that's without tweaking. What hashrate do you get from a stock 480 pulling 150W+?

    Just dropping Vega 64 from balanced to power saving knocks almost 80W off the consumption with very little drop in performance, and that seems to be repeated in other reviews that have tested the different power states. Overall Vega seems to be more power efficient than Polaris, so I can't see it taking long for miners to crank the best perfomanceower ratio out of it...
    Vega adds 40 new instructions for mining over previous AMD GPUs:

    http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/u...D-Vega-NCU.jpg



    Apparently on OcUK one chap said his workmate just bought six of the Vega64 cards which were £450 for mining.

    So if software starts supporting those instructions,bye!bye! any cheap Vega56 cards.

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Thing is, that's without tweaking. What hashrate do you get from a stock 480 pulling 150W+?

    Just dropping Vega 64 from balanced to power saving knocks almost 80W off the consumption with very little drop in performance, and that seems to be repeated in other reviews that have tested the different power states. Overall Vega seems to be more power efficient than Polaris, so I can't see it taking long for miners to crank the best perfomanceower ratio out of it...
    True, but most the reviews seem to still recommend the 1070 in its current form for the watt / hashrate ratio, depends what the bios hackers get upto and if AMD release the rumored polaris / vega blockchain driver.

    Either way can't be good for gamers lol

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    I'm a little disappointed by the performance as I sincerely want AMD to take the crown from Nvidia for a while as I'm still bitter that I had to pay close to £400 for the GTX 1070 but I'm realistic so well done to AMD for getting where they are today. It's good to see AMD being competitive in both the GPU and CPU market.

    I'm not sure whether I should be happy that AMD cards are selling well due to mining though - on the one hand that gives AMD more revenue which they can invest into R&D, on the other hand it's definitely pushing up pricing across the whole market as it allows AMD to price their cards higher which in turn allows Nvidia to get away with what they price theirs at too.

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Is it me, or is the GPU-Z in page 3 mis-reporting the Vega 56 as having 4096 shaders, when it should be 3584?

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulti View Post
    I'm a little disappointed by the performance as I sincerely want AMD to take the crown from Nvidia for a while as I'm still bitter that I had to pay close to £400 for the GTX 1070 but I'm realistic so well done to AMD for getting where they are today. It's good to see AMD being competitive in both the GPU and CPU market.

    I'm not sure whether I should be happy that AMD cards are selling well due to mining though - on the one hand that gives AMD more revenue which they can invest into R&D, on the other hand it's definitely pushing up pricing across the whole market as it allows AMD to price their cards higher which in turn allows Nvidia to get away with what they price theirs at too.
    I don't think AMD get extra money from the cards being higher priced. They sell the chips at the same price, it's the AIB and sales partners that profit.

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    You know, looking around online I can't help but think this review has the TDPs listed wrong? Page 3 says

    In the primary position, which is default, the card's TDP is 220W in Balanced Mode, 253W in Turbo Mode (which increases speeds a touch), and 165W in Power Saving.
    Looking around - is that the listed TDPs for the Vega 56? I'm pretty sure the Vega 64 is 295W in standard Balanced Mode (which would fit much better with the power figures floating around in reviews today...)

    EDIT: and on that note - any chance of some performance figures with Vega 56 in its 150W mode? I'd love to see what it's capable of when you get it down into its proper efficiency range...

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    laughing at that price

    you pretty much can buy two 1060's and snark at amd at this point

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