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    AMD Radeon VII

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Loud, hot, and power thirsty might as well be the AMD GPU slogan at this point. I don't get why anyone would pick this over a 2080 or a 1080Ti

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Hexus should give us a V2 productivity benchmark against the 2080. Blender/Solidworks... etc kind of good stuff.

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Quote Originally Posted by Tunnah View Post
    Loud, hot, and power thirsty might as well be the AMD GPU slogan at this point. I don't get why anyone would pick this over a 2080 or a 1080Ti
    To try and ensure Nvidia don't own the graphics card market? I deliberately chose an rx480 vs a 1060 for this very reason (and on the suspicion it would age better as AMD card usually do). Gaming on a PC is already stupidly expensive and nvidia having a free hand is something I'd pay to prevent.
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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Quote Originally Posted by Tunnah View Post
    Loud, hot, and power thirsty might as well be the AMD GPU slogan at this point. I don't get why anyone would pick this over a 2080 or a 1080Ti
    1080Ti is an old, old design and will be very much second fiddle in the driver's development stakes going forwards especially as RTX, etc needs so much work doing on the software side. It's just too old and whilst you might make an argument for some compute tasks which need all that VRAM, you'd be silly to ignore the Radeon VII for that. Why? Aside from 16GB HBM, just look at the FP64 throughput. Combined with Nvidia's driver T&Cs potentially making commercial use of consumer products a problem (depending on the implementation) and you have a good argument to go red here. That said, if you're looking at datacentre level use where power hunger and the T&C I'm thinking of are coming into play, you're probably looking at professional cards anyway.

    Why over a 2080? Good question and it's going to probably come down to pricing in the end. Nvidia will probably end up putting too much value on RTX, etc whereas us consumers don't really care right now. As a result, Nvidia might be more reluctant to drop their prices (indeed, they've already dropped a bit since launch and all that early-adopter gutting) whereas AMD might be willing to drop their prices a little further, especially as they're mirroring their pro series cards and therefore can benefit from economies of scale to some degree (although given relative market share this is probably just an essential if they want to compete at all rather than an advantage).

    There's also the "up yours" to Nvidia and their recent business practices that led me to buy a Vega64. I got it reasonably cheap (£440, went up to ~£600 for the same model soon afterwards and my total cost to change was ~£300) given the market and frankly, I've seen nothing from either side in this latest round of releases that have made me regret my purchase. The ONLY issue I have with this card is the noise. But it rarely matters when playing games as I've either got the volume up on speakers or headphones on. Is the fan curve too aggressive? Almost certainly but it keeps it running cooler and as you say, these things run hot so reducing the degree of thermal shock would always be sensible if you want the card to last. I can imagine this noise would be a big problem for some people but I tend to be able to tune it out.

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Quote Originally Posted by Tunnah View Post
    Loud, hot, and power thirsty might as well be the AMD GPU slogan at this point. I don't get why anyone would pick this over a 2080 or a 1080Ti
    Indeed, the reviews have come out exactly as expected...well may not quite exactly - I really didn't expect these to be loud as well given the cooler, but hey ho. I would replace the word "anyone" with "most gamers" however, as there are some edge cases where you are better off with one of these (if you exclusively play Vulkan optimised games for example, or have a real need for 16gb of memory on your graphics card, or have an irrational hatred of Nvidia )

    If they had released these at even just £50 cheaper....it would be a different story. They didn't though and instead have gone toe to toe with Nvidia's Non FE pricing.

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Do we know if ODM's are going to be allowed to design their own coolers, didn't AMD put some sort of restriction on 56/64 coolers and/or delayed their release? I only ask as apparently the AMD cooler is awful.

    Also I'm surprised there's been no mention of the apparent awful state of the drivers/software that mean overclocking is completely broken at this stage.

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Quote Originally Posted by Corky34 View Post
    Do we know if ODM's are going to be allowed to design their own coolers, didn't AMD put some sort of restriction on 56/64 coolers and/or delayed their release? I only ask as apparently the AMD cooler is awful.

    Also I'm surprised there's been no mention of the apparent awful state of the drivers/software that mean overclocking is completely broken at this stage.
    Steve from Hardware Unboxed has said AMD told him they have not restricted board partners from making their own.
    https://youtu.be/6jP3tetYnVI?t=1000

    I'll be interested to see in the coming days if software maturation and perhaps undervolting will help this card as much as it did the 56 and 64. Looks like again, AMD have cranked things pretty hard out of the gate at the expense of power and noise.

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Quote Originally Posted by Spud1 View Post
    Indeed, the reviews have come out exactly as expected...well may not quite exactly - I really didn't expect these to be loud as well given the cooler, but hey ho. I would replace the word "anyone" with "most gamers" however, as there are some edge cases where you are better off with one of these (if you exclusively play Vulkan optimised games for example, or have a real need for 16gb of memory on your graphics card, or have an irrational hatred of Nvidia )

    If they had released these at even just £50 cheaper....it would be a different story. They didn't though and instead have gone toe to toe with Nvidia's Non FE pricing.
    Oddly the one thing I took away from this review is just how good the Palit GeForce RTX 2070 DUAL is, which is nearly £200 cheaper and has only marginal differences (aside from noise and power usage) in a lot of benchmarks, only really losing out at 4K (even then it's performing well considering its pricing).

    Radeon VII as currently priced isn't worth it in my opinion, the Vega 64 is ~25% slower but ~40% cheaper. Seems like poor value.

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Quote Originally Posted by Iota View Post
    Oddly the one thing I took away from this review is just how good the Palit GeForce RTX 2070 DUAL is, which is nearly £200 cheaper and has only marginal differences (aside from noise and power usage) in a lot of benchmarks, only really losing out at 4K (even then it's performing well considering its pricing).

    Radeon VII as currently priced isn't worth it in my opinion, the Vega 64 is ~25% slower but ~40% cheaper. Seems like poor value.
    Depends on the stage of product lifecycle. Linear price/pef relationship happens with mature products. A mostly linear relationship (excluding top end cards) only emerges quite some time into the lifecycle. Also, you're making a comparison across generations.

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    anyone else noticed recent reviews : will cost 2 kidneys to own, doesnt perfom as well as others but looks ugly .......... MUST BUY!

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Quote Originally Posted by Iota View Post
    Oddly the one thing I took away from this review is just how good the Palit GeForce RTX 2070 DUAL is, which is nearly £200 cheaper and has only marginal differences (aside from noise and power usage) in a lot of benchmarks, only really losing out at 4K (even then it's performing well considering its pricing).

    Radeon VII as currently priced isn't worth it in my opinion, the Vega 64 is ~25% slower but ~40% cheaper. Seems like poor value.
    The market seems to be just wrong atm. Companies are supposed to be trying to upsell stuff, but I find myself looking in the downsell direction. Yes, the RTX2070 DUAL is pretty quick, but compare the 2060 and that thing is right on the heels of the 2070. The 2060 is where it needs to be, they made the 2070 too slow which is odd as I don't usually expect Nvidia to get their artificial market segmentation wrong.

    It surprises me how little the 2060 is impacted by removing a quarter of its memory channels.

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Have anyone else noticed they code-named it VII which may stand for VegaII and AMD doesn't know what to call their card so they went with a seven.
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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Quote Originally Posted by abychristy View Post
    Have anyone else noticed they code-named it VII which may stand for VegaII and AMD doesn't know what to call their card so they went with a seven.
    It is because it is really stop gap product. There will not be successor.Just to have something until they come up with their true next gen.
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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tunnah View Post
    Loud, hot, and power thirsty might as well be the AMD GPU slogan at this point. I don't get why anyone would pick this over a 2080 or a 1080Ti
    To try and ensure Nvidia don't own the graphics card market? I deliberately chose an rx480 vs a 1060 for this very reason (and on the suspicion it would age better as AMD card usually do). Gaming on a PC is already stupidly expensive and nvidia having a free hand is something I'd pay to prevent.
    couldnt have sead it better !!! i picked a rx580 in my laptop over a 1060 and glad i did little time later eneded up being faster

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    Re: AMD Radeon VII

    Except that this AMD card outperforms the 2080 when it comes to some productivity software such as photo and video processing. Please test those!

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